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Some more system trooper stuff and the new ruleset are out. Ruleset comes with a free pack of heads if bought there. £6.75 for the command, £25.00 for the rules

http://www.pig-iron-productions.com/

3 x Commander figures with separate heads and backpacks. Bases not included.

Wargames rulebook of gritty futuristic combat. 250+ pages, Hardcover. Suitable for use with Pig Iron Miniatures. Includes a free head pack of your choice. Simply indicate which head pack you prefer in the shopping cart comments box.

ooooh good stuff. I always want to buy stuff from PIG but never had the chanche. My friends with whom I play with use just WH40K products... sadly :(

nice!

Very nice! Would love to see a guy use these for IG.

Very cool promo!

I don't use the figures, but my entire IG army has pig iron heads. (see my gallery) They do really good work.

Bah, UK only deal, ROW is SOL sadly. Any other sites out there that sell this one for a reasonable price?

new competitor joins the fray...

does that mean 40k IG players can't use Pig Iron AFVs anymore or not?

mew!

I'm really not a fan of this range of miniatures. The sculpting is clunky rather than robust, and I have to say, another company that is doing itself no favours with it's "studio" paint-job.

Just to clarify, what I mean by clunky. The sculptor hasn't done enough to distinguish between what is supposed to be body armour, material uniform, and webbing attachments / pouches.....so that the end effect is a miniature that looks bipedal, but is ultimately too busy and unfocused.

I think the sculptor needs to apply the notion of "less is more" and basically know when to stop adding "detail" for details sake.

Delephont wrote:I think the sculptor needs to apply the notion of "less is more" and basically know when to stop adding "detail" for details sake.

Interesting. I would have said that Pig Iron figs are a fairly strong example of "less is more" in that while they have the necessary large details, they make very little effort to apply any fine detail. I agree that it doesn't look the best close up on screen, but having played a few games against my friend's pig Iron figs, I can say that the effect of the bold -somewhat exagerated- layers/lines lines without extraneous detail on the tabletop is quite striking. I'm not sure if it was the sculptors intention to get this effect, but it certainly is effective.

Still, it's definitely a style that can be polarizing.

Eilif wrote:

Delephont wrote:I think the sculptor needs to apply the notion of "less is more" and basically know when to stop adding "detail" for details sake.

Interesting. I would have said that Pig Iron figs are a fairly strong example of "less is more" in that while they have the necessary large details, they make very little effort to apply any fine detail. I agree that it doesn't look the best close up on screen, but having played a few games against my friend's pig Iron figs, I can say that the effect of the bold -somewhat exagerated- layers/lines lines without extraneous detail on the tabletop is quite striking. I'm not sure if it was the sculptors intention to get this effect, but it certainly is effective.

Still, it's definitely a style that can be polarizing.

Yes, I can see your point. Infinity miniatures have some of the most amazing fine detail on their range, and these figures certainly don't measure up to that standard. I guess the point I'm making regarding the detailing is that although there clearly isn't any degree of fine detail, theres lots of clumbsy slab like detail which distracts.

Intersting that you would mention infinity which has a very finely detailed anime styling. My friend with the Pig Iron figs describes them to me as "anti-anime" instyling which was one of the prime selling points for him.

Whether or not it distracts is an area where YMMV.

For those interested in the book and not a limey, there is this place, with free shipping world-wide and 24% off: http://www.bookdepository.co.uk/book/9781849085311/Tomorrows-War-Science-Fiction-Wargaming-Rules

A bit cheaper here:
http://www.amazon.com/Tomorrows-Science-Fiction-Wargaming-Rules/dp/1849085315/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1317913430&sr=1-1

Though folks who don't want to support Amazon will probably find BrookM's suggestion more to their taste.

Also, a friend of mine got an advance copy for review from the publisher last week. We'll be playing it tonight and I'll report back with an AAR and my impressions.

Ok, Played the game last night. I'll make a more throrough post later, when my friend posts the pics Here's some initial thoughts. It was a great time.

The rules achieve realism balanced with game-flow like no other rules I've played. We played a senario where elite mercenaries have to rescue a pilot while irregular rebels try to thwart them. The Pilot was rescued, but the Mercs lost too many troops captured or as casualties and lost by one victory point.

Some observations.
1-There are no points systems. The games are entirely senario based, and it's up to the players to determine the forces involved.

2- It has a reaction system that is similar to 5150 but more streamlined and shortented. This means that when one unit does something, it will incur a reaction from enemy units that are in sight, but the chain of reactions will not keep going for an extended period of time.

3- Weapons have an optimal range (a bonus is applied) but no maximum range. It's assumed that on an average gaming table, weapons can shoot as far as the limits of the table if there is no terrain in the way.

4-Special and heavy weapons integrated have special functions if placed in their own squads, but if integrated into infantry units, they simply add more dice to the number of dice you roll for firepower.

5- The book is gorgeous full color and thick. Lots of nice art that is consistent in style throughout and alot of pictures of well painted miniatures from a few different figures. We played with the basic combat rules, but the book covers orbital insertions, medivac, nanotech, weather conditions, ECM, etc.

6-Whether casualties are lightly wounded, seriously wounded, or killed makes a big difference as you usually have to treat the wounded or bring them with you and that affects the squad's performance.

As I said, I'll add more later, but suffice to say, this is a game about realistic tactics and the correct application of the forces present in a given senario. List-building, close-combat, special charachters, custom load-outs and the like have no bearing on the game.

I like the Sci-Fantasy style of games like 40k, WarEngine and others, but after playing Tomorrow's War, I'll be much more hesitent about calling them Science-Fiction or Tactical.

Ooh, looking forward to receiving my copy in a few weeks!

My buddy put up his AAR. A link to that and my slightly expanded review here:
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/402504.page

Just got word that my copy will be shipped out in a few days, really looking forward to this.

They really need to get a different painter to do their sales figures. Although that style looks great on the tabletop, it is quite off putting for close up pictures