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Ok, I play black templar, tyranids and IG (yes i know IG is very good) ive been playing for close to eight years now and wouldnt call myself amazing at the game but im good. I play in tournaments and place well, that said in friendly games two of my friends refuse to play me because they say i run tournament lists or "gay lists" against them in a friendly game. like my normal black templar list has the assault terminators with furious charge in a land raider, they wont play me if i use them because they call them broken and OP. while they are playing blood angels and space wolfs........ same goes for my IG and tyranids. with my IG i dont spam vendettas against them or spam melta squads. yes ill run like one then use other tanks and stuff and they just call IG OP and broken. my nids (which i know arnt OP) are the same, yes its a genestealer heavy army but thats more because I dont wanna buy and paint all the gaunts. Ive got some other frinds that have been playing longer that dont have a problem with what ever i use. so how should I approach the newer players?

Tell them to man up and play better...?

Sorry, but they are being fairly pathetic. you arent running WAAC lists, just lists you like, and its not up to you to gimp yourself just so they can win.

Yes i know 'Rule number 1' takes precedence, but they need to enjoy the game instead of winning (which is what it sounds like they want to do).

Help them build their lists (not to tailor them though, that just BS) maybe, and then, when they beat you, they can be proud of it, instead of whining like kids....

I'd stop playing them altogether. If they have to whine and cry over some lists that they have trouble with then they just need to stop playing. Every lose should be treated as a chance to learn the game better.

If they are having issues agaisnt BT and Nids, using marine armies, then they suck.

Plain as that, and whining about it makes them all the more lousy.

Find some decent players, and leave the kids you are playing now at playgroup

Just ask/offer to play a game or two. I've the base same issue except I use Chaos and the people I started with refuse to play with unless I run a certain set of units or unless I run a set list when they change theirs every game. (ex. Ahriman against Eldar and refuses unless I use him and thousands sons. 3d6 p. tests just to play? no thanks)
Move on to another group of players, I did and everything worked out fine. If anything just see how competitively they play and match up.

Swap armies with them and then when you beat them explain to them it's not just about what's in your army

Legend wrote:Swap armies with them and then when you beat them explain to them it's not just about what's in your army

This. Just teach them how bad they suck.

Sounds like your friends are immature manchildren.

BT can be abusive... if you take 3 squads of 5 terminators with tank hunter and cyclones, and max landspeeder typhoons, and las/plas squads.

IG can be abusive... if you take pure mechvets/mass vendetta/leafblower

Tyranids can't really be abusive if your enemy has a decent list.

points handicap?

thre's always either intentionally handicappign yourself or agreeing to handicap yourself.

I've "forgotten" to field a few things against worse players. others I've straight up offered to field my 1250 vs thier 1500/1850

If you simply must play them, do an army swap. If that doesn't work, give em a thump.

Necroshea wrote:If you simply must play them, do an army swap. If that doesn't work, give em a thump.

Lol a man that goes around winning at 40k then thumping his mates, thats priceless.

seriously though the army swap is probably the only way they will see the light.

..or give them a list of your available models and tell them to write you list...then beat them and say you'll be writing your own lists from then on.

all good ideas. i like the points handicap idea. like i tell them easy ways to build their lists to beat my list and dont make them play WYSIWYG. they are new players and ill make that very clear, one hates my nids because one carnafex killed 2 squads of bezerkers and his lord over the game because he charged it and didnt have a powerfist in the squad. the other one with the spacewolfs calls my BT OP because of the terminators, so i play objective games with him because his troops are a million times better than mine. fair right? no.....alas they are still my good friends, at least they are better at starcraft 2....

Are you a sour winner and rub it in their faces? Be honest.

I find what makes people usually pretty calm is talking about what your opponent could have done to have won the match, give them something to work towards and improve on. I hate players who gloat then just walk away without discussing the game.

Bahahahahahahahahahahaha they can't win with Space Wolves?! Bahahahahahahaha

I feel bad for the Chaos player, though.

No im not a sour winner. like i felt bad for the chaos guy but laughed at the same time, the spacewolf player kills all my MC with jaws and still looses to my genestealers...... but no im not a dick when I win.

Your friends are a bunch of babies. As long as you aren't playing BA Lazorback lists all the time there's really no reason to complain.

Did your friends happen to be the ones to write the daboyz comp matrix?

I can be a sore winner, but but i've never checked to see if I taste sour while i'm doing it.

(I'm sorry, I try not to be a Nazi but some opportunities are just too good)

theman99808 wrote:so how should I approach the newer players?

Crush them again and again, until they like it!
Games are not meant to be fun for all players involved, esp. not for losers

Stop playing against crybabies. In my old gaming group, when somebody would get something that was really giving us a hard time, we'd get something else to kill that. The arms-race nature of local meta is a lot of fun. I had an opponent who was utterly wiping my (3rd ed) Space Wolves with his Noise Marines, so I moved up and got Terminators and a Land Raider. From then on I did better against him.

KilroyKiljoy wrote:Bahahahahahahahahahahaha they can't win with Space Wolves?! Bahahahahahahaha

Haha I lol'd^^

Yeah pretty much everything that I could have said, has already been said. Look for some other players, swap armies etc. You seem to be quite the friendly player anyways, so I can't really understand how they still get so angry. You don't seem to be playing the most WAAC lists out there and with Blood Angels and Space Wolves, no one can tell me that your units are OP. Maybe direct your pals to dakka so they can get a 101 on tactics and army building? Having two squads of beserkers without power fists charge a carnifex doesn't show a lot of tactical understanding of the game. Maybe all it takes is an hour in dakka's tactic section for them to play better... But don't complain when when they start getting better and open a can of whoop-ass on you with those wonderful longfangs they just discovered

I think its a little ridiculous that every time they play you they say that. Heck at this point you probably could play Chaos Daemons and they'd say it was OP even though Chaos Daemons are alright.

Play them with Tau. If you still win, and they're still calling OP, it's obviously them.

Rubbahduckie wrote:Did your friends happen to be the ones to write the daboyz comp matrix?

Just because we happen to like varied army lists up in Rochester doesn't mean we refuse to play people who like to spam things without creativity.

We just mock them for it.

OK try this, you get to make your opponents list and they get to make yours... hilarity ensues!

KilroyKiljoy wrote:Play them with Tau. If you still win, and they're still calling OP, it's obviously them.

I think the fact that he's already doing it with Tyranids should be evidence enough

Do it with Necrons next.

Or with a dreadsock.

Play necrons and kill them

watch as they call necrons OP like that one thread that was around here....

I think the worst possible choice would be to . . .

spam Necron Warriors against them. If you still somehow manage to win with that . . .

Bring a REAAALLLY cheesey list, and when you wipe the floor with 0 casulties 1 of 2 things will happen

1. They will see the error of their ways.
2. They will never play you again. Ever.

Either way is good right? Win win?