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I usually play mech Orks with Ghaz but fancy a change, so far ive got.

x2 KFF Big Mek's

x2 30 shoota boy mobs
x1 10 grots
x2 Deff Dreads

x3 Buzzsaw Deffkoptas

x9 Killa Kans

Im not so sure about the dreads and have about 150 pts left, any suggestions?

Best thing to use that 150 pts would be lootas. 2 units of 5 will work wonders in this list 100%.

I'm not crazy about dreads to be honest but they are cool models and can be fun to use so if you are in a non-semi competitive game I'd stick with them. If you are looking for competitive you definitely need more boys. I'd look at doing 3 groups of 20-25. i assume you have a nob with a PK and BP in your boys unit. If you don't that is a poor move.

I also assume you have rokkits on your kans.

I don't see anything wrong with Dreads. I use 3 of them and they have not failed me yet. No they dont shoot as good as the kans but there added armor helps from time to time. Most cant deal with them in CC as krak grenades are tough to kill it with.

I do agree some lootas would really be helpful. They give orks the long range fire support that they need. I run 30 of them in my 2k list. But I am wierd that way too.

Honestly I think the gretchin are out of place. I don't like gretchin and will never use them as I don't see they are really worth anything but a speedbump.

I also don't think you need BP's on a 30 man squad. I run 20 and I have never needed them. But thats a personal thing I guess.

The deffkoptas haven't done good for me so i don't use them. But I know they have there potential, I just haven't seen it.

Anyways good start. Good luck!

I wasnt planning on putting guns on the dreads, i was going to take the 2 extra attacks, is there a better loadout?

Grots are for camping base objectives, never leave home without them.

Not nessicarily better but I find skorchas also work quite well on the dreads, since the dread can't benefit from waagh a little range never hurts ,especially if you are attacking stuff with lower armour saves.

Skorchas are a common item and cheaper on the dreads.

I agree with Skycapt. Add 2 units of 5 lootas.

I run 2 dreads with 2x bshootas and a 3rd with 2xccws. they work pretty good for me.

I never understood the idea of camping., You dont need to camp just have more then they have in the end. I always put my objective towards the middle of the table as I plan on being there anyways. I also put some boys in reserve to come out late game to hold any objectives that might be back or to the side of my deployment zone. but i guess thats me.

skycapt44 wrote:Best thing to use that 150 pts would be lootas. 2 units of 5 will work wonders in this list 100%.

I'm not crazy about dreads to be honest but they are cool models and can be fun to use so if you are in a non-semi competitive game I'd stick with them. If you are looking for competitive you definitely need more boys. I'd look at doing 3 groups of 20-25. i assume you have a nob with a PK and BP in your boys unit. If you don't that is a poor move.

I also assume you have rokkits on your kans.

looooooooooooooooooooootas.

Two mobz of boyz is a bit light at 1750. I run three mobs, no Dreds, Lootas and a couple of Buzzkoptas.

Here is my 1750:
Big Mek -KFF 85
Big Mek -KFF 85
Lootasx5 75
Lootasx5 75
Lootasx5 75
Ork Boyzx28-Shootas -Nob -PK -BP -BSx2 218
Ork Boyzx28-Shootas -Nob -PK -BP -BSx2 218
Ork Boyzx28-Shootas -Nob -PK -BP -BSx2 218
Gretchinx10 -Runtherder 40
Deffkopta -TL Rokkit -Buzzsaw 70
Deffkopta -TL Rokkit -Buzzsaw 70
Deffkopta -TL Rokkit -Buzzsaw 70
Killa Kansx3 -Rokkits 150
Killa Kansx3 -KMB 165
Killa Kansx3 -Grotzooka 135
1749
I like it as I do not have dreds yet therefore since my kanz are magnetized and no dreds with their rokkits to use I can get by with just 3 boxes of kanz. Once I buy 2 dreds I may run 2 units of kanz with rokkits, though really that would only buy me 2 more boyz and 1 gretchin so I may keep the KMB to shoot at terminators and cancel out FnP

Lots of good comments thanks guys, think im going to drop the dreads and run a third mob of shootas instead, maybe try the dreads later.

I am not a fan of Lootas although i have never tried large amounts of them we play with alot of terrain at my local club so i find they often have poor targets or none at all.
I also dont like there static nature.

I was thinking mixing Tankbustas into the horde might do well in a list like this, alot of armies i play are mech heavy so i dont think there would be a problem with glory hogs.

Hargus56 wrote:Here is my 1750:

That's very nearly what I play; I use only rokkits on my Kans and I haven't gotten around to the third Buzzkopta. We usually play 1850, so I fill out with a few rokkit buggies and a few more Boyz and Grots.

But the Meks, the Lootas, the Boyz, the Kans and the Buzzkoptas are spot on, unit-wise.

Lepuke wrote:Lots of good comments thanks guys, think im going to drop the dreads and run a third mob of shootas instead, maybe try the dreads later.

I am not a fan of Lootas although i have never tried large amounts of them we play with alot of terrain at my local club so i find they often have poor targets or none at all.
I also dont like there static nature.

I was thinking mixing Tankbustas into the horde might do well in a list like this, alot of armies i play are mech heavy so i dont think there would be a problem with glory hogs.

I understand your concern with the Lootas. I personally don't worry about giving cover saves to anything. As most armies there armor save is better then any cover I would give them. Now if you play with alot of blocking terrain then I could see a problem. But you could use that to your advantage as well. Take a big squad of lootas and cover a big hole in terrain. Make him think twice before he rolls up through there.

I don't think tankbusters are that great. Try them out you might like them.

Lepuke wrote:I am not a fan of Lootas although i have never tried large amounts of them we play with alot of terrain at my local club so i find they often have poor targets or none at all.
I also dont like there static nature.

I wasn't a fan at first either. Low rolls initially, and the firepower was minimal. After a few games, and more average rolls I was much more comfortable with them. I don't take as much as some, but I usually supplement shooting power elsewhere. I'm rather fond of bikers myself, but those won't mesh well with a Kan Wall. Lootas do, in the sense that they strike from wherever they are deployed. Lootas excel with MC units, and light armor. They are less effective against infantry(shoota boyz being some of the best point for point), but still take their toll on them.

If you're wary, don't use them in tournament games, but start fielding a couple quads of 5, or even just one squad for a few games. I stuck them out a bit and they proved useful. It was pointed out earlier that cover saves aren't normally an issue, and I've found this to be accurate for me as well.

Its funny. My new build was built around 30 lootas. Two squads of 15. I wanted to use them and I wanted to use alot of them. It turns out they worked for me pretty well. So I have not looked back. I am even thinking of adding another 15 to my list. Time will tell though.

I do use mine for some infantry killing if need be. especially small MSU or Devs. I even shoot at tanks that I can only glance. The way I see it is if they cant shoot then that is fine with me. I never understood people complaining that they didnt blow something up and shooting at it with the rest of there army when it can't shoot. Move on to other things, you will have another turn to blow it up. They do do wonders to MC though. There is realy no nid that I am worried about. Well maybe the tyrannifex, he has 2+ save.

Though if they dont work for you they dont work for you.

Lootas= die the first turn. Dreads+KFF =i am going to rip your face/hull apart.

I used to take lootas, until my friends caught on to what they do, now they just die.

How? They should be behind your line of kans and dreads and boys getting a 4+ cover save.

I have only lost one squad of lootas all the way when genestealers outflanked and assualted me. Then they died from the other squad of lootas.

What are you doing wrong?