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Recently my friend and his IG played my other friend who also had IG. Friend A Scouted his Valkerie right next to friend B's sentinal, like I told him. This was in order to gain the Valkerie a 4+ flat out cover. However, when he did this and was shot at by the Sentinal's PC, he was told by everyone that it did not gain the 4+. The PC immobilised the Valk, and EVERYONE said it was now destroyed because it moved Flat Out in its last movement phase.


Is this ruling correct? It seems to me, contradictory. He moved Flat out, so weas immobilised, but didn't get the 4+ for moving flat out?



For those who are interested, he lost big time. He, this being his mistake, thought that the Valk exploded. In the porcess he lost 9 of the 10 Melta Vets inside, whioch was then assaulted by the same armoured sentinal and stomped on.

See the BA FAQ about scouting and moving flat out

Deadshot wrote:Recently my friend and his IG played my other friend who also had IG. Friend A Scouted his Valkerie right next to friend B's sentinal, like I told him.

This is incorrect, you can not use a scout move to move right next to anything.

you must stay more than 12 inches away.

Scout move, remain 12.00001+ inches away
Fast skimmers can claim a cover save if they move far enough

An Immobilised result will wreck it not explode it.

Sory, I meant to say he moved as close as possible.

I know that they get wrecked. He is just a moron. He has been playing since 2001, when he was 5, and he doesn't know half the rules. He still thinks that rending applies to hits of 6, like in 4th ed.

jdjamesdean@mail.com wrote:Scout move, remain 12.00001+ inches away
Fast skimmers can claim a cover save if they move far enough

An Immobilised result will wreck it not explode it.

And the unit inside can disembark as normal after it is wrecked on your opponents turn.

a skimmer that moves Flat-out is only wrecked if it suffers an Immobilized result on the same turn it moved Flat-out.

Unless otherwise defined, Turn always means Player Turn. This means that a Skimmer that flat-outs will only be wrecked if it went into difficult terrain and rolled a 1. if the enemy shoots it it will be completely fine.

Grey Templar wrote:a skimmer that moves Flat-out is only wrecked if it suffers an Immobilized result on the same turn it moved Flat-out.

Unless otherwise defined, Turn always means Player Turn. This means that a Skimmer that flat-outs will only be wrecked if it went into difficult terrain and rolled a 1. if the enemy shoots it it will be completely fine.

BGB p71:
"a skimmer that is immobilised sic immediately crashes and is destroyed (wrecked) if it moved flat out in its last turn." (emphasis mine)

So, a skimmer would still be destroyed, even if it is your opponent's turn when it is immobilized. It's the passengers who survive if they make it to the next player turn.

So, was the ruling taken wrong then. Just asking to be sure.

The ruling was wrong. The BA FAQ states a Scout move counts as a previous turn for smoke, flat out, turboboost, etc.

Grakmar - immobiliSed IS the correct way to spell an English book, not Websterised American English

Thought so. Thanks Dakka.

nosferatu1001 wrote:The ruling was wrong. The BA FAQ states a Scout move counts as a previous turn for smoke, flat out, turboboost, etc.

Grakmar - immobiliSed IS the correct way to spell an English book, not Websterised American English

Well, this of course all depends on whether the book he quoted from is an American rulebook or an English one.

nosferatu1001 wrote:Grakmar - immobiliSed IS the correct way to spell an English book, not Websterised American English

British spelling is incorrect spelling. American spelling is the correct way. We beat you in not one, but two wars to determine that!

It is our launguage! We made you what you are. Be grateful.

Grakmar wrote:

nosferatu1001 wrote:Grakmar - immobiliSed IS the correct way to spell an English book, not Websterised American English

British spelling is incorrect spelling. American spelling is the correct way. We beat you in not one, but two wars to determine that!

Britain spelling is idiosyncratic, and you only beat us the first time because the French lent you a massive helping hand

nosferatu1001 wrote:

Grakmar wrote:

nosferatu1001 wrote:Grakmar - immobiliSed IS the correct way to spell an English book, not Websterised American English

British spelling is incorrect spelling. American spelling is the correct way. We beat you in not one, but two wars to determine that!

Britain spelling is idiosyncratic, and you only beat us the first time because the French lent you a massive helping hand

I just want to point out that I'm an american, who generally uses british spelling...

Well done - you need to get more of your countrymen the way of odd "S"'s and extraneous letters....

I just want to point out America is #1.

Back on topic, yeah, OP, they dun goof'd.

KilroyKiljoy wrote:I just want to point out America is #1.

Back on topic, yeah, OP, they dun goof'd.

That's why the US is always on top. Oh wait, except, they're under Canada. My bad. British spelling is proper.

Regardless...I suppose this is a dead horse topic now...

I speak three languages in descending order:

English, Bad English and American.

(plus those horrific abberations : franglish and spanglish )

In any case English is such a hodgepodge (vocabulary word for the day, there..) of other languages that arguments over it's proper structure and spelling are a tad redundant

nosferatu1001 wrote:

Grakmar wrote:

nosferatu1001 wrote:Grakmar - immobiliSed IS the correct way to spell an English book, not Websterised American English

British spelling is incorrect spelling. American spelling is the correct way. We beat you in not one, but two wars to determine that!

Britain spelling is idiosyncratic, and you only beat us the first time because the French lent you a massive helping hand

Does help from the french even count as help? :p

WHen its the main reason you win - yes.

Lets be fair to the French, this happened back when they actually could win wars. They have their current reputation due to what happened after this point in time.

I was planning on inserting a French victory joke earlier, but did not want to get in trouble for it...As said, American English butchers just about every language we get words from, not just British English.

Happyjew wrote:I was planning on inserting a French victory joke earlier, but did not want to get in trouble for it...As said, American English butchers just about every language we get words from, not just British English.

We did it just to spite them.

However the spelling goes, however the accents go, I will always find the British shedge-ool (schedule) funny. You can't take that away from me, King George!