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If a Fearless IC is attached to a non-Fearless IC, is the unit Fearless?

If the Fearless IC joins the non-Fearless one, no - but if the non-Fearless one joins the Fearless one, then yes? Seems a little convoluted.

Don't quote me on this as I don't have the rulebook on me, but I thought if a Fearless IC joins a non-Fearless unit, he loses his rule while with them, however if a non-Fearless IC joins a Fearless unit, the whole unit is still Fearless.

It is a bit convoluted, but a non fearless IC joining a fearless unit, the IC will gain the fearless rule.

How to determine which IC joined the other, is another matter.

Godless-Mimicry wrote:Don't quote me on this as I don't have the rulebook on me, but I thought if a Fearless IC joins a non-Fearless unit, he loses his rule while with them, however if a non-Fearless IC joins a Fearless unit, the whole unit is still Fearless.

You can be safely quoted. You are quite correct as per the Fearless USR, page 75, main rulebook.

Good to know, cheers.

Question 1 does raise an interesting point.
2 IC's (we'll call them Bob and Steve). Bob has Fearless, Steve does not. Bob and Steve form a unit of 2 IC's. Per Fearless, as Bob is joining a non-fearless unit he loses Fearless. By the same token Steve who is joining a Fearless unit gains Fearless. Now since, Bob is no longer Fearless, Steve loses his new Fearlesness. But since Steve was Fearless, Bob gains Fearless back. At this point...head spinning need to sit down...

Happyjew wrote:Question 1 does raise an interesting point.
2 IC's (we'll call them Bob and Steve). Bob has Fearless, Steve does not. Bob and Steve form a unit of 2 IC's. Per Fearless, as Bob is joining a non-fearless unit he loses Fearless. By the same token Steve who is joining a Fearless unit gains Fearless. Now since, Bob is no longer Fearless, Steve loses his new Fearlesness. But since Steve was Fearless, Bob gains Fearless back. At this point...head spinning need to sit down...

Ahhh! An enigma, locked in a puzzle, forming a conundrum!

The way it would work is this. Page 48 tells us that an IC can join another IC forming a multicharacter unit.

It also says an IC joins a unit by moving into coherency with it.

So the answer to your question is simply answered by establishing who is moving into coherency with, and therefore is joining, whom.

So, Bob has Fearless, Steve does not.

Bob moves into coherency with Steve. Bob is joining a unit without Fearless so Bob and the unit lose Fearless.

But if instead, Steve moves into coherency with Bob, then Steve has joined a unit with Fearless, so Steve gains it and the unit is now Fearless.

You should decide if it is more advantageous for the combined unit to be Fearless or not, and move the ICs in the appropriate order to gain the desired result.

I'd err on the side of caution in the situation and simply lose the USR if two ICs, one Fearless, join up. That's certainly in the spirit of the rules, and keeps things simple.

I don't know if it's indeed the spirit of the rules.

It's pretty clear that an IC is a unit in and of itself.

And a non-fearless IC joining a fearless unit gains the Fearless USR, and a fearless IC joining a non-fearless unit loses the Fearless USR.

So I still feel that whether or not the multi-character unit of ICs is fearless depends on which one joined the other, in the same way as an IC joining a multiple model unit.

It has the added benefit of giving the player with the ICs some strategic and tactical choices depending on the order of operation.

It's also pretty clear that an IC is an IC, as well as being a unit. Getting the most out of the USRs by tricking around with "who joined who" is not really in the spirit of the rules, IMO. It's getting the best of both worlds for no cost which makes it look a lot like an Easter egg hunt.