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WAAAAAAGH to all of you guys! i was trying to make a very competitive ork list at 1500 points that is the main format in my country at this moment in local tournments,soooo here is da list , comment it!!! feel free to...laugh! (i'm joking eheh)

Ghazghkull Thraka 225 (i just love him so much...don't touch him if you can )

Big mek with forcefield 85

17 boyz nob with power klaw and bosspole 142

17 boyz nob with power klaw and bosspole 142

25 boyz shoota ,nob with power klaw and bosspole 190

25 boyz shoota ,nob with power klaw and bosspole 190

13 runts with big friend (XP) 49

5 lootas with deffgunz 75

5 lootas with deffgunz 75

5 lootas with deffgunz 75

battlewagon with big shoota armoured ram and DEFFFF ROLLA 125

battlewagon with big shoota armoured ram and DEFFFF ROLLA 125

ok so here iz da lizt wut du you guyz think????? ANZWER FOR THE WARBOZZ!!!

Only two vehicles in a 1500 pt list? You're gonna get wrecked turn 1-2.

Orks (and many other armies) need to be consistent throughout the whole list; That is to say, spamming things is the key. If you want a vehicle list, filed as many vehicles as you can. If you want a Green Tide Foot Slogging list, do as much of that as you can. You can't go half-sies.

Hmmm, yes. Your list isn't bad. I won't touch Ghazzy don't worry, he's awesome, I'm just starting to include him in my own Ork competitive list and he's beating face.

Big Mek is a good choice, especially in a Battlewagon Spam list. However, you really need to decide whether this list is going to be a Battlewagon Spam list, or whether it is going to be green tide. As you can probably guess, Battlewagon spam involves lots of Battlewagons with deff rollas with big boyz squads in them (not disimilar to your slugga boyz squads), whereas green tide involves lots of large squads of boyz (not disimilar to your shoota squads), so I think you need to make a decision one way or the other really.

I see what you're doing with the gretchin, but in tournaments this doesn't work as well as it would in standard gameplay. Although reserving them helps, allowing them to come on to the objective later and claim it, good tournament players will be aware of the grots and try to kill them when they come onto the board, whether that be turn 2 or turn 5, they are likely to succeed if they are playing at that level.

I like Lootas, as it provides a way of dealing with those pesky Dark Eldar, as it means that you can kill them even if they are running away from your close combat troops.

So yeah, I think that the main thing is for you to decide what type of competitive list you want to take this as.

Hope this helps.

well BOYZ BOYZ BOYZ! you need 30 boyz per mob to be effective in this list.
gazzy is ok for a horde army
more grots for objective grabbing and meat
boomwagons for POW and BANG and "oh no! you splattered half my army in one volley!"
maybe if you use BWs then go for a gorka morka tactica (horde uses cover and slogs to frontlines as freeks zoom around side)
to that you may need stormboyz and deffkoptas
i like that you are not using bommz or spec weapons in yer slugg mobz, but shootas might use a BS or 3 per mob
keep your BWs cheap and choppy so that it does not hurt too much if they splat(especially if you use looted wagons)

i will ponder it more but right now i am actually working on my imps and not my orkz at the moment (my ork army is decent sized unlike my poor umies)

Da Kommizzar wrote:well BOYZ BOYZ BOYZ! you need 30 boyz per mob to be effective in this list.
gazzy is ok for a horde army
more grots for objective grabbing and meat
boomwagons for POW and BANG and "oh no! you splattered half my army in one volley!"
maybe if you use BWs then go for a gorka morka tactica (horde uses cover and slogs to frontlines as freeks zoom around side)
to that you may need stormboyz and deffkoptas
i like that you are not using bommz or spec weapons in yer slugg mobz, but shootas might use a BS or 3 per mob
keep your BWs cheap and choppy so that it does not hurt too much if they splat(especially if you use looted wagons)

i will ponder it more but right now i am actually working on my imps and not my orkz at the moment (my ork army is decent sized unlike my poor umies)

I would definately agree with your first point, provided the OP would like a Green Tide army, if not, a mob that size won't fit in a Battlewagon, so its really upon the personal preferences of the OP.

Again, the second point is for Green Tide. I would go a couple of steps further and say that Ghazzy is excellent in a horde army, the one thing that you lack is speed and his special waaagh effectively gives you an 18" charge, and then once he's in combat he is very difficult to shift for the next 2 player turns due to his 2++

I think that the splattering of half an army in one shot may be a bit of an exaggeration. Yes, Looted Wagons are ok IMHO, although I am sure that there are people out there who disagree with me, but points that you spend on a looted wagon could be better spent on more boyz or Battlewagons.

The tactic of using boyz as cover becomes irrelavent if you have the mandatory KFF Mek in your army, as you are getting the 4+ cover save anyway for obscurity.

Stormboyz are not particularly competitve, again, points could be better spent. Deffkoptas are ok for individual tankbusting I suppose provided that you give them a Buzzsaw.

Other than that, some good advice here. Definately agree with Kilroykiljoy though, you either need to spam Battlewagons, or Spam boyz.

thank you guys!!! great job commenting my list!!!

well, so you think that in a tournment you just have to SPAMM!!!! mmmm... so no half ways,and there are to ways: horde or battlewagons right? ok i've got 3 battlewagons at all in my army,and trying not to buy another one (moneymoneymoneymoneymoney ) and how does it works? i would prefer to be on a BOG SMASHA THINGY (battlewagons) than running through the battlefield saying DON'T KILL ME!!!! (ok ok...i don't want to move 300 models :p ) what kind of units should i field?

actually buzzsaws (to my opinion) are not to swell at doing anything on a kopta

1:they just due after they swoop in
2: the strength is lousy compared to a nob
3: my koptas with only rokkitz have managed in one game take out every transport with an explosion and a stormraven in the process
4: they are cool and fun

stormboys

1: in same game they slew a full squad of stormtrooper esque henchmen and corteaz in 1 full assault
2: they can be usedd to march behind the boyz for counter assaulting
3: they can surprise your oppenent with their speed and power
4: they are awsome
5: they are far better than buzzsaw koptas any time

KFF sure can be used as cover but the 4+ coversave is only tanks, boyz get only a 5+ cover


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if you dont wnt to move 300 models then you have some options:

use your moneymoneymoney for some veicles and BW spam him or something.

it looks like without spendind too much dough you are leaning towards horde

yes but i want to be on battlewagons,and if you say 3 or more or anything or loads of orks well...i choose the first one ^^ so which are the main units? how many BW should i field? and with what precisly?

thank uuuuuu!!!! yo helping a grenn bro

If you want BW list. This is something I just threw together.

Mek: KFF
Mek: KFF

Meganobs x5: 3x Kombi-skorcha
-Battlewagon: Kannon, Bshoota, Plank, Rolla, Plates
Meganobs x5: 3x Kombi-skorcha
-Battlewagon: Kannon, Bshoota, Plank, Rolla, Plates

Shootas x19
-Nob: PK, Bshoota, BP
Shootas x19
-Nob: PK, Bshoota, BP
Shootas x20: Bshoota
-Nob: Pk, Bshoota, BP

Deffkopta: Saw, T-L Rokkit
Deffkopta: Saw, T-L Rokkit
Deffkopta: Saw, T-L Rokkit

Battlewagon: Kannon, Bshoota, Plank, Rolla, Plates
Battlewagon: Kannon, Bshoota, Plank, Rolla, Plates
Battlewagon: Kannon, Bshoota, Plank, Rolla, Plates


Gives you 5 BW's. The Meks goes in with the Shootas. The Meganobs do what they do get into CC when ever they can. Just a fun list that can give most a tough time.

Well the choice really is buy more battlewagons or buy more boyz, I don't know how many boyz you have so that'll be up to you really.

Yes, they do die easily, but when you are matched against a Rhino/Razorback list flying deffkoptas into hit straight away against rear armour at S7 can really prove effective, as it will immediatly take out a few transports limiting your opponents manouverability and this will help loads for the rest of the game. Not that this has much relevance as it appears that the OP is not interested in them, and neither am I really, but moving on.

Stormboyz: You have definately hit the nail on the head concerning how to use them. Keeping them behind things only to jump over and clobber stuff is the way to go. Regarding your first point, congratulations on killing Coteaz, he's a nasty one he is. But I'm guessing that to do this it must have been quite a larger mob, lets say 15 with a Nob with a Power Klaw and a Bosspole, that would cost 220pts... That could buy you a few SawKoptas and a big mob of boyz. This is why I have seen more Deffkoptas at tournaments than I have Stormboyz. But yeah, they are good when used properly.

I know KFF is only 5+ within 6", I was refering to the Battlewagons, sorry if this caused any confusion.

mmm ok i understand, see this one,what do ya thing?

ghaz 225

big mek force field 85

17 boyz nob with power klaw and bosspole 142

17 boyz nob with power klaw and bosspole 142

17 boyz nob with power klaw and bosspole 142

14 runts with bigbro 52

6 lootas with deffgunz 90

7 lootas with deffgunz 105

1 deffkopta with rokkit launcha and buzzsaw 70

1 deffkopta with rokkit launcha and buzzsaw 70

battlewagon with big shoota armoured ram and DEFFFF ROLLA 125

battlewagon with big shoota armoured ram and DEFFFF ROLLA 125

battlewagon with big shoota armoured ram and DEFFFF ROLLA 125

i'm at 1498

so,what to add,what to leave? and what do you think about this?

Ah yes, the humble battlewagon spam list. This is looking much better, I still think that you can make a couple of minor tweaks.

You should drop the Reinforced Ram, you have the Deff Rolla anyway so you don't really need it.

You can go for Deffkoptas if you really want to, but despite all of the evidence to the contruary that I myself have posted I would drop them. Simply because they are most effective against transport spam lists, but these kinds of lists aren't going to be a massive problem, as you can just deff roll them. The exception to this is Dark Eldar, but then your Lootas are good for that sort of thing.

I would probably use the spare points from these to bulk out your boyz squads to 20 and/or bump up you Lootas to 10 a piece.

Hope this helps.

Lootas are fine for transports. Koptas are wasted on them. Why pop a 35 point rhino to lose a 70 point kopta to meltaguns?

Koptas are great for trading 70 points for something greater....like predators, Leman Russ battle tanks, and Vindicators. That said, I'm not fond of deffkoptas, but I acknowledge their use in a war of attrition against the correct units.

I personally feel that Ghaz is a waste of points afor a list like this. You don't really need his special WAAAGH for your boyz, because they're traveling in style, so you're paying 100 points for 1 turn of a 2+ invul save and fearless for your boyz, ultimately. The extra attack and wound aren't big enough to justify all this.

The list is good. It could be tweaked one way or another....you could squeeze a bit more efficiency, like by taking a Mega-armored CBB, AS Warboss for an extra 100 points. I'd drop the lootas to 5 each and add 5 boyz....18, 19, 19 for example. Switch Ghaz, drop a deffkopta, add some warbikes. It still comes down to personal preferences and playing styles. Balsak likes shooty orks, hence his battlewagons of shoota boyz. I like flavoring my vehicle delivered slugga boyz with some loota and warbike support. Your new list is a fantastic start. You'll start to determine which tweaks are best for your playing style and local meta as you use it. Good job!

Swap Ghaz for another Mek and add more lootas.

And you can't have a Ram and a Rolla on same vehicle. Your BW have both.

okok so here is the new list, i think it's good but...i need some advices ^^

boss warbike power klaw squig 140

mek forcefield 85

19 boyz,nob powerklaw bosspole 154

19 boyz,nob powerklaw bosspole 154

19 boyz,nob powerklaw bosspole 154

10 grots with friend 40

nob squad with warbikes:
nob warbike powerklaw 70
nob warbike powerklaw bosspole 75
nob warbike big choppa 50

total 195

BW deff rolla armoured plank big shoota 125

BW deff rolla armoured plank big shoota 125

BW deff rolla armoured plank big shoota 125

15 lootas

1482

what do you think?

I like it. Might want to split the lootas into 2 sqads of 8 with the points left over. But thats your choice I do like 15 lootas in one squad. I also don't think the Gretchin are needed. You could turn them into another Nob biker. Again thats you choice of course.

Looks Good, Good Luck!

I agree with Balsak, and you also have the points to split them into 2 squads of 8 due to the 18 points that you have left over.

thank you guys,i was thinking about another one... 3 battle wagons but with 2 troops of boyz on 2 of them and one big squad of nobz with a warboss with heavy armor (not to bel too slow like ghazzy or megarmor) and the usual big mek,what do you think? it should be like:

Warboss powerklaw heavy armor squig cybork body

Big mek force field

19 boyz nob powerklaw bosspole

19 boyz nob powerklaw bosspole

20 boyz nob powerklaw bosspole

7 nobz:

normal nob
normal nob combiflamer
normal nob waaagh banner
dok nob
nob with powerklaw
nob with big choppa
nob with big choppa and bosspole

bw armoured plank big shoota deff rolla

same

same

trukk big shoota armoured plank

the rest in lootas and maybe grots helped by 3 kans

what do you think?

Ok, looking good. Just want to quickly clarify a couple of things.

Number 1: I assume that the Trukk is taken as a dedicated transport for the Nobz?

Number 2: Nobz get Kombi-Skorchas rather than Kombi flamers (effectively a Kombi Heavy Flamer, sorry if this bit comes across as a bit picky).

Just one quick thing that I noticed, if the warboss is going in the Nobz squad, you might want to give the bosspole to him, this way it is harder to kill the Bosspole with the T5.

Ok well from what I see in the last 2 lists your bouncing back and forth with bikes and foot nobs. I can't say what is better. What I can say is that you get more on foot then on bikes.

Here is something that goes along with the BW rush.

Boss
-armor, cybork, squig
Mek
-KFF

Lootas x5
Lootas x5

Nobs x5 (Warboss)
-PK, Shoota-Skorcha
-BChoppa
-Painboy
-BP
-Banner
Battlewagon
-BShoota, Armor, Deffrolla

Shootas x20: BShoota
-Nob: PK, Bshoota
Shootas x20: BShoota
-Nob: PK, Bshoota
Shootas x19: BShoota (Mek)
-Nob: PK, Bshoota

Battlewagon
-BShoota, Armor, Deffrolla
Battlewagon
-BShoota, Armor, Deffrolla
Battlewagon
-BShoota, Armor, Deffrolla


That give you 4 BWs enough shootas to kill almost anything and 4+ covers everywhere. The lootas help with popping whatever. Not the strongest list but think it could do. Oh and you should never give the BP to only the boss. If the Boss takes one give one to a Nob as well. The Boss can be singled out in CC not the Nob.

thank you a lot!! so no power klaws on the nobs? why? i think that is worth it...but if you think this is better...this is better ^^

now...after these questions i want to know in a general way...what do you use in your list? which tactic do you prefer? do you use lots of orks or BWs? or an hybrid?

I actually use a rather different lists. I don't use Green Tide, Kan Wall or Battlewagon spam but I do take my lists to tournaments and it always done well, I haven't fallen out of the top 50% bracket at any tournament with this list yet and I've won a couple of lower level ones with it but I should probably stop rambling now and explain what my list consists of.

I like to run Ghazzy and another Warboss with a Power Klaw, I'll get onto why when I reach the end. For Elites I run 2 squads of 10 Lootas (no Meks), for Troops I have a Mob of 30 Shoota boyz with a Nob with a Bosspole, then 2 squads of 10 Nobz with Painboys and Trukks and they are covered in armour. That's 1,800.

Ghazzy and the Warboss allow me to take Nobz as troops, which is good for Capture and Control as it means I can rush them forward and potentially take the opposing objective with them. Ghazghull also means that even if my Trukks get blown up then I can still make an 18" charge with his Waaagh move, which really shocks your opponent when suddenly 20 Nobz armed to the teeth are suddenly up in their grill, not to mention the Ghaz man himself. But also, the Nobz have a good chance of passing their pinning checks due to the Ld9 of my HQs.

My Lootas are there because I used to run a list with 3 Nob squads, but I struggled with Deldar as they could just fly away so having something that can kill them from afar is helpful. I also like to stick them at opposite sides of my depolyment zone, so that it makes it difficult for my opponent to hide rear armour and if one gets killed by a deep striking hammer unit (terminators) it will mean that that unit is out of the game as there is nothing close enough for them to kill them before the end of the game in most occasions.

And then my Boyz are my deckchair unit, to sit on objectives and things.

However, I wouldn't reccoment this list to somebody just starting out with Orks. It mainly revolves around being able to hide the Trukks until they've delivered their Nobz and I've been playing Orks for about 5 years so I'm able to do that effectively against most players.

oh well usually i don' play spam lists, i am not a starter player and i know exactly how to use orks, i just wanted to know the way you play in your country and what was your opinion about BW spam lists in my opinion is quite difficult to destroy 4 BWs in a 1500 battle... they are ard and defended by the cover of the mek...don't you think?

Badrukk: Yes they are hard to kill in 1500. Mostly because of the Mek and his KFF, and not alot of fire power on the enemy side of things. I have yet to actually play a BW rush list as I am having to much fun with my Kan/Dread wall. But I am working towards that for sure. I also do have a PK in the squad. I tried to get 2 in there but just didn't have the points. I don't think that any Nob squad needs more then 2 P's at all. My BW's would also have planks on them, but I could not afford it with the list I provided for you. But that really is a personal taste I guess.

Rampage: I really don't like your army. Seems to me that you have one plan and one plan only. I don't feel that Nobs are the power house that they once were now with all the Rifleman dreads out there and the ton of Double toughness weapons. If it works for you then great. I also think 20 Nobs really are overkill. You could drop them to 6 or so and still have the damage out put that you need, then it would free up some points to get more support for those Nobs. Again if it works great. I am not sure it would fly at my LGS. I do appluad you for trying somethig different and working as well.

Well good lukc to both of you.

Not many people do, but it works well for me and I enjoy playing it and that's what counts really, and good luck to you too.