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Hello.
This is my first post on these forums, and I'm hoping for some great advice.

There is a tournament coming up between Nov. 5th, and Nov. 27th. A 1500pt tournament, and I have spent the last week trying to make a list that I can work with. I was trying to keep my budget under 200 dollars, considering I already had a considerably large mass of Orks that I play for fun. I made about 4+ lists, and they were all

Finally, after reading online, and a bit of research, I settled on a list which should cost me under my budget. However, my first worry with it is that this style of list is waaaaay over used. I may be wrong, but it does seem like I see lists similar to these, BW lists, and mass horde lists, all over the internet. I'm not sure if this is the most common form of build set out there, and if it is, I will have to change it again.

Without further ado, here is my list:
(EDIT: The %'s are for how much of my army is made up of each genre of unit)

HQ: 200pts (13.36%)
Warboss: Twin-Linked Shoota, Power Klaw, Bosspole, Cyborg Body
Big Mek: Kustom Force Field, Cyborg Body

Troops: 517pts (34.54%)
Slugga Boyz: 20 (Attached to Warboss)
Slugga Boyz: 18 (Nob, Power Klaw, Bosspole)
Slugga Boyz: 18 (Nob, Power Klaw, Bosspole)
Shoota Boyz: 12 (In Dedicated Transport: Trukk) [Unit is in reserve]

Elites: 120pts (8.02%)
Lootaz: 8

Fast Attack: 210pts (14.03%)
Deffkopta (Buzzsaw, Twin Linked Rokkit Launcha)
Deffkopta (Buzzsaw, Twin Linked Rokkit Launcha)
Deffkopta (Buzzsaw, Twin Linked Rokkit Launcha)

Heavy Support: 450pts (30.06%)
Killa Kans: 3 (Rokkit Launcha)
Killa Kans: 3 (Rokkit Launcha)
Killa Kans: 3 (Rokkit Launcha)

Grand Total: 1497

Yes, I know that one Big Mek with a KFF has no way of covering all Killa Kans and Boyz. I'm pretty sure that 2 could, but here's my idea.

I was thinking that 6 Killa Kans and 2 squads of 18 Boyz with the Mek could go for the more direct, frontal assualt.
As for the Warboss, 20 Sluggas, and 3 other Killa Kans, I was thinking that they would go off to the list for a less direct assualt, but have the extra punch. That, and dealing with vehicles.

Finally, I have the Trukk full of Shootaz in reserve, so that they could come in late/mid-game to snatch an objective.

Any ideas or constructive criticism is completely welcome.

wow
OK 1 if your trukking orks makem sluggas
i like slogging sluggas but most will tel you pick shootas

Other then that i hate this list.
I don't like kan walls per se but this one bugs me
There are other ways of getting 12 rokkits
Warboss doesnt need a shoota if hes attached to sluggas and doesnt need cybork if hes attached to fodder.
8 lootas just isn't enough. allot of people myself included like running 25-45 lootas at 2k so 8 at 1.5k seems quite low.

Your koptas will die quickly. Everything else is SLOW meanwhile these speedy guys zip around into close range and get the unfortunate place of being first and only in range.

I think youd be better off with dual mek KFF really. Your list is begging for it. 9 kans and slogging boys screams TAKE ME. honestly the warboss isnt going to help you much in this list as hes my #2 target.
A wise man once told me
"Boyz Protect Nobz, Meks Protect Boyz" & "Nobz are a key to ork success, Anything without a nob better shoot, Anything that has a powerklaw and is not a nob means you have less nobz"
When I run mob sized lists i follow these

docbrown wrote:wow
OK 1 if your trukking orks makem sluggas
i like slogging sluggas but most will tel you pick shootas

Other then that i hate this list.
I don't like kan walls per se but this one bugs me
There are other ways of getting 12 rokkits
Warboss doesnt need a shoota if hes attached to sluggas and doesnt need cybork if hes attached to fodder.
8 lootas just isn't enough. allot of people myself included like running 25-45 lootas at 2k so 8 at 1.5k seems quite low.

Your koptas will die quickly. Everything else is SLOW meanwhile these speedy guys zip around into close range and get the unfortunate place of being first and only in range.

I think youd be better off with dual mek KFF really. Your list is begging for it. 9 kans and slogging boys screams TAKE ME. honestly the warboss isnt going to help you much in this list as hes my #2 target.
A wise man once told me
"Boyz Protect Nobz, Meks Protect Boyz" & "Nobz are a key to ork success, Anything without a nob better shoot, Anything that has a powerklaw and is not a nob means you have less nobz"
When I run mob sized lists i follow these

Thanks for the review. I'll definantly be making some changes, and yes, I know that the army is rather slow. However, that's how I like it. Kans getting cover from the Big Mek, Boyz getting cover from the Kans.

As for the Deffkoptaz. Yes, I do hear that they die...A lot...But honestly in my games, they normally last till the end.

I'm open for criticism, and thanks for taking the time to reply. If you don't mind, would you care working with me on a better list?

ill try

1 MORE LOOTAS DEFINATLEY
2 You want kan wall then go for it TAU GUARD or anything that likes S7+ will hurt you badly. But lets add a mek with KFF and let the whole thing roll.
3 Make all your boys equal units and make them shootas
4 make the truck boys sluggas
5 drop cyborks
6 (optional) try to take buggies or something instead of koptas

docbrown wrote:ill try

1 MORE LOOTAS DEFINATLEY
2 You want kan wall then go for it TAU GUARD or anything that likes S7+ will hurt you badly. But lets add a mek with KFF and let the whole thing roll.
3 Make all your boys equal units and make them shootas
4 make the truck boys sluggas
5 drop cyborks
6 (optional) try to take buggies or something instead of koptas

Ok, well this is what I have changed. Yes, I know that most people prefer shootaz, but shootaz have never worked for me under any circumstances except holding objectives. (Hints: Why I have 12 in reserve for mid/late game)

HQ:
(2x) Big Mek with KFF

Elites:
Lootaz (12)

Troops:
(2x) Ork Sluggaz (25) (Nob, PK, BS)
12 Shootaz (Dedicated Transport: Trukk)

Fast Attack:
(3x) Deffkoptaz (Buzzsaw, Twin-Linked Rokkit Launcha)

Heavy Support:
(3x) 3 Killa Kanz (Rokkit Launchaz)

Do you see any improvement in that list compared to my original?

Needs unity
Lootas & kans dont work with the sluggas and koptas
Half of your army wants to get there ASAP while the other half wants to chug it.

CHoose between assaulting on turn 2 or shooting on turn 4 which sound more preferable. Then come back to me.

as it stands allot of things are dead in the water
lootas are #1
trukk shootas(while being kinda dumb) are shackled in reserve.
I'f you don't think you have enough troops to last till late game YOU NEED MORE TROOPS
Kopta's would be my next biggest target. S8 AP3 non mobile is not very scary. I'll take the one that floats to the back side out first. Besides it has worse saves and is a better use of my shots.

Well I fall on the other side of things. I think your list is working on being a pretty good one. I run Kan wall all the time and love playing it. So I have made a list to see what can be done with Orks.

Mek: KFF
Mek: KFF

Lootas x10
Lootas x10

Shootas x20: BShoota
-Nob: PK, BShoota, BP
Shootas x20: BShoota
-Nob: PK, BShoota, BP
Shootas x15
-Nob: BChoppa, Bshoota

Kopta: Saw, T-L Rokkit
Kopta: Saw, T-L Rokkit

Kans x3
-Rokkits
Kans x3
-Rokkits
Kans x3
-Rokkits

This isn't exactly what I would run but its close. I have not had luck with the koptas, but I like there potential. You will have to try them out to see if they are worth it. I do really suggest Shootas for your boys. They are still Orks after all so they still have 2 base CC attacks. They do have an extra shooting attack too. Still reserve the 15 boys squad and take objective late/middle game. Always put your objectives towards the middle of the board. It works so much better as that is where you plan on being.

balsak_da_mighty wrote:Well I fall on the other side of things. I think your list is working on being a pretty good one. I run Kan wall all the time and love playing it. So I have made a list to see what can be done with Orks.

Mek: KFF
Mek: KFF

Lootas x10
Lootas x10

Shootas x20: BShoota
-Nob: PK, BShoota, BP
Shootas x20: BShoota
-Nob: PK, BShoota, BP
Shootas x15
-Nob: BChoppa, Bshoota

Kopta: Saw, T-L Rokkit
Kopta: Saw, T-L Rokkit

Kans x3
-Rokkits
Kans x3
-Rokkits
Kans x3
-Rokkits

This isn't exactly what I would run but its close. I have not had luck with the koptas, but I like there potential. You will have to try them out to see if they are worth it. I do really suggest Shootas for your boys. They are still Orks after all so they still have 2 base CC attacks. They do have an extra shooting attack too. Still reserve the 15 boys squad and take objective late/middle game. Always put your objectives towards the middle of the board. It works so much better as that is where you plan on being.

You make a good point, my biggest issue however is keeping things in a budget that I can afford this month. While at the same time, keeping to my playing style. Initially the Kan list sounded like a good idea, but it really as swerved from what I initially try to do with armies.

You sound like you are experienced with Orks, I assume you've been to a tournament or two, am I right?

At 1500 pts you have a fine list.
I wouldn't take the trukk, I would just make that squad larger, or go for gretchin to hold objectives and cover the lootas.

The cheapest ork and one the cheapest armies period is just a green tide. You buy loads of AoBR boyz and you have most of your list.

RollingDice wrote:You make a good point, my biggest issue however is keeping things in a budget that I can afford this month. While at the same time, keeping to my playing style. Initially the Kan list sounded like a good idea, but it really as swerved from what I initially try to do with armies.

You sound like you are experienced with Orks, I assume you've been to a tournament or two, am I right?

I am not ure what you mean by swerved. The only thing I did was make it a more cohesive army. Your orginal list had more boys, more koptas, a trukk. I understand you having a budget. Most of us do.

Yes I a an experienced Ork player. I have in fact been playing them for 13 years now. I used to go to tournaments when I was younger, even won a few. Not so much anymore as the tournament play style is not my thing any more. But I do know what is effective (at least for me) and what isn't.

So what is your playing style? That might help us to help you.

I belive he wants to run something comppppletely different but budget and the internetz tell him to run otherwize

The second list is better, competitively....and looks like many Kan Walls. If it didn't, it wouldn't be a Kan Wall, would it?

Personally, drop the trukk. No synergy with the rest of your army. If you're going to field something, field it from the start and let it do its job. Other than that, I wouldn't use 3 suicide koptas. Your lootas can take out light armor just like the koptas. I'd probably run 2, max. Experience with local meta will teach you what works for you.

docbrown wrote:I belive he wants to run something comppppletely different but budget and the internetz tell him to run otherwize

No! I am not telling him to run something that he doesn't want to run. If you look at his first build he is basically running a Kan wall. I am only showing him a better build for said Kan wall. What he does with it is totally up to him. Now I don't know what he has or do I know his buget that is all up to him. What I am trying to do is help with a build that is a bit more competitive then his was. I am that last person to tell him to run a list on the internet. I don't believe the internet has the best choices. If it were my list he would have meganobs or flashgitz in it as well. But as its not I did not mention them.

no im not saying your telling him to
im saying my bet is his first list is based on things hes been told and not what hes looking to do

Ah! Makes more sense then..

balsak_da_mighty wrote:

RollingDice wrote:You make a good point, my biggest issue however is keeping things in a budget that I can afford this month. While at the same time, keeping to my playing style. Initially the Kan list sounded like a good idea, but it really as swerved from what I initially try to do with armies.

You sound like you are experienced with Orks, I assume you've been to a tournament or two, am I right?

I am not ure what you mean by swerved. The only thing I did was make it a more cohesive army. Your orginal list had more boys, more koptas, a trukk. I understand you having a budget. Most of us do.

Yes I a an experienced Ork player. I have in fact been playing them for 13 years now. I used to go to tournaments when I was younger, even won a few. Not so much anymore as the tournament play style is not my thing any more. But I do know what is effective (at least for me) and what isn't.

So what is your playing style? That might help us to help you.

Oh, I'm sorry about the confusion. When I said "swerved", I meant budget wise, it's gone up a lot higher than I originally intended. I like the list that you constructed.

Sure no problem. Well what are we looking at for buget? Maybe I can work something out for you with that buget. Also what do you have now if anything?

That's a good place to start.

In addition, how are you at modeling?

I've converted my own KFF Big Mek, and painboy(can't stand the boy sized painboy in addition to cost). I've also converted a battlewagon(work in progress honestly) from a couple dollar store toys. AOBR Nobz have had weapon replacements with big choppas from the nobz boxed set, and I've made a couple shoota/skorchas.

There are some instances where you have no choice but to convert, like buzzsaws on koptas.

If you can do some conversions, you can save on price. I've got some loota conversions in the works as well. Many of us are on a budget, so it's understood.