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Looking to get some feedback on the TS List I'm looking on making for a mate.

HQ
Chaos Sorcerer w/Mark of Tzeentch, Warptime, Doombolt, Teminator Armour, Personal Icon;
185 Points

Daemon Prince w/Mark of Tzeentch, Wings, Bolt of Change, Warptime;
200 Points

Elite
Terminator Champion w/Mark of Tzeentch, Power Fist, Combi Melta;
3 Chaos Terminators w/Power Fist, Reaper Autocannon;
Chaos Land Raider;
435 Points

Troops
Aspiring Sorcerer w/Doombolt, Personal Icon;
8 Thousand Sons;
Chaos Rhino;
294 Points

Aspiring Sorcerer w/Bolt of Change;
8 Thousand Sons;
269 Points

9 Summoned Lesser Daemons;
117 Points

Heavy Support
Chaos Vindicator;
125 Points

Chaos Vindicator;
125 Points

Total Points: 1750

So idea for the army is to be pretty shooty, but thought that would leave a lot of weak spots against armies that are especially more shooty so figured a squad of rubric style terminator with the sorcerer would work well being not only a hard hitting force able to not only charge straight into the enemy and also able to intercept incoming attackers but also give something for the enemy to focus on rather then hit other vital parts of the force. The Daemon Prince will also have pretty much the same role flanking the enemy fast and aiming mostly for the tougher vehicles and/or squads. The Summoned lesser daemons are mostily for the last second objective holding or taking out weaker ranged squads.

Looks well rounded possibly demonic pos on th vindicators and extra amor on the rhinos?

Yeah done some modification a mate suggest, ended up removing the rhino, adding dp to both vindicators and exchanging the power fist and combi melta on term champ for a pair of lightning claws.

You need to ask yourself, is this a list you would play? I wouldn't play it...

You can not control when the Lesser Demons come in, so throw the 'late game objective takers' out of the window. They also /have/ to be placed within 6" of a Icon and you only have two of them. If you have no icon on the board, they do not show up.

The Terminatos are indeed 'hard' with the Mark increasing their Invuln to +4. But there is a risk they will run away in combat on their first morale check. Just understand the risks on what is pretty much the focal point of your army.

You want shooty, but instead of Oblits you have Vindicators and your making them BS 3? Three lone Oblits is 225pts, has a weapon for every occasion and range, and is in terminator armor. The lack of morale means you take one in a slot.

Understand you have 5 units on the board turn 1, at 1750pts. You also only have one unit that can shoot past 24". That is not very shooty.

TS also /need/ Rhinos or they do not move.

At this point, your probably asking me to put my money where my mouth is. Here it goes.

DP - 200pts
MoT, Wings, Warptime, BoC

DP - 200pts
MoT, Wings, Warptime, BoC

3x Terminators - 160pts
3x Combi-meltas, MoT, PF

5x TS - 190pts
BoC, Melta bomb, Rhino, Combi-Melta

5x TS - 190pts
BoC, Melta bomb, Rhino, Combi-Melta

5x TS - 190pts
BoC, Melta bomb, Rhino, Combi-Melta

5x TS - 190pts
BoC, Melta bomb, Rhino, Combi-Melta

5x TS - 205pts
BoC, Melta bomb, Rhino, Havoc Launcher

Oblit - 75pts

Oblit - 75pts

Oblit - 75pts

1750pts

Except that list is 1890 points.

BlkTom, perhaps double check your math.

4 TS + AS (the squad must have an AS) w/ BoC and a combi-melta rhino is 222 points per. Oops didn't see the melta bombs in there. tack another 25 pts, so, 1915 or so

The havoc launcher squad is 227

the termie squad with 1 pf is 150.

hemingway wrote:Except that list is 1890 points.

BlkTom, perhaps double check your math.

4 TS + AS (the squad must have an AS) w/ BoC and a combi-melta rhino is 222 points per. Oops didn't see the melta bombs in there. tack another 25 pts, so, 1915 or so

The havoc launcher squad is 227

the termie squad with 1 pf is 150.

What Codex are /you/ reading???

Or is your mind blown because I did not seperate the AS from the squad? No, you understood when you listed it as 4 TS + AS. I paid for 5 TS marines, just one of them is the AS (since, as you said, you have to have one). But the AS does not cost any extra points. 23 x 5 is 115pts... BoC, MB, Rhino, Combi-Melta is 75pts. That is 190pts. Even if I added in a 6th man, that would be 213pts, so your waaaaaaaaaay off on your 'math'.

BlkTom before getting smart with other members for correcting you, you might wanna read the Codex yourself first. It distinctly states that the Aspiring Sorcerer for the unit costs 60pts himself. Look in the box next to their stats.

I like the number 9 factor in the army. reminded me of the good ol' days of 3.5 dex.

I would drop the prince in favor of demonic possession on the vindies, an extra rhino and/or if you can scrape it another squad of lesser deamons.

BlkTom wrote: What Codex are /you/ reading???

The same one as you, but I'm reading it correctly.

Or is your mind blown because I did not seperate the AS from the squad?

Yes, I'd love for psykers with Force Weapons and 4 attacks on the charge to cost the same as base marines. Unfortunately, that's just not how the codex reads =(((

I do owe Hemingway an apology and here it is. I have never noticed the AS cost till he pointed it out to me.

Thank you kindly, sir.

My corrected list...

DP - 200pts
MoT, Wings, Warptime, BoC

DP - 200pts
MoT, Wings, Warptime, BoC

4x Terminators - 185pts
4x Combi-meltas, MoT, PF

5x TS - 250pts
BoC, Melta bomb, Rhino, Combi-Melta

5x TS - 250pts
BoC, Melta bomb, Rhino, Combi-Melta

5x TS - 250pts
BoC, Melta bomb, Rhino, Combi-Melta

5x TS - 265pts
BoC, Melta bomb, Rhino, Havoc Launcher

Oblit - 75pts

Oblit - 75pts

1750pts