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Thinking of starting up an army soon, love the Grey Knights and their general look, though find it boring that they're so "holier than though" and can't be corrupted.

So I'm going to corrupt them.

General idea fluff wise is:

Inquisitor gets demon relic-> Relic corrupts-> Eventually he and his Grey Knight bodyguards are worshiping the lord of excess (this is a heavily watered down explanation of course)

Aside from the obvious things, like color and Slaanesh symbols, what would do you think would be good for this sort of army? Was considering getting a collection of demon-knight looking mini's to act as crusaders for my Inquisitors retinue, and hoping to get ahold of some older Daemonette figures for decoration/possible retinue (I hate the new ones.... blegh).

They aren't 'Holier than thou'
At any rate this should be an interesting thread to read.

I think you should do a Space Wolves successor as well.

May as well do both Lost Legion's and female SM while you're there

I would like to preface this by saying "it is your models, and your hobby. You can do whatever you like"


That being said, according to the Current Fluff, what you just described would not happen.


Grey Knights were built and designed to be resistant to Chaos and its corruption.


Their Genesead was chosen from those Marines who had proven themselves to be resistant to Chaotic Influences. (ie, marines who stayed loyal to the emperor even though their legion joined Horus)
Their Equipment is designed to repel and disrupt chaos forces. Their armor is full of wards designed to resist or repel Chaos.
Their training is all build around killing, repelling, and banishing daemons.

It also states in the Grey Knight codex that "no GK has even fallen to chaos". (some may have been tempted, but were probably killed by their brothers before anything could happen)


THAT ALSO BEING SAID

Grey Knights are NOT "good guys". They are bastards. They will kill innocent people, kill the people who helped them, burn worlds, and use whatever means needed to get rid of Chaos.

Also, Grey Knights Will work with "Radical Inquisitors" (those inquisitors who use daemons to fight other daemons)

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If you want to stick within the fluff, but still want Chaotic GK, there are two ways you could go that I see.


OPTION 1.

The Inquisitor and his Human Companions go over to Slaanesh (to some extent). The GK bodyguard with him go along with it as the inquisitor is very talented, and for the most part is still helping the Imperium. They GK are simply using him while he is still useful, but are waiting for the time when he goes over the line to kill him.

[use the GK book. Model the inquisitor and retinue as Slaanesh people, but the GK are the normal color scheme]


OPTION 2

the Inquisitor was Ordo Xenos, and his bodyguard is a contingent of Deathwatch Marines. They get corrupted and ALL go over to Slaanesh. This gives the Deathwatch Marines new powers (fluff reason for them to have Force Weapons, Psy Powers, ect.)

[Use the GK book. Don't use GK models as the basis for the Deathwatch Marines, but use something else. probably some combination of normal and chaos marines]



[note: You should also realize that "Chaos Grey Knights" are one of those things that people nerd rage over. Just like Female Space Marines. ]

I don't understand why everyone wants to play chaos Grey Knights.

You know what, I could say a bunch of things about 'ignoring the fluff', and 'so original and unique', but they're your models. Just be prepared to get some sideways glances at the store if you start telling people your GK worship Slaanesh.

You army is a bad idea and you should feel bad.

But paint them how you want. I'll still play you.

Please God no. Chaos Grey Knights are quite possibly one of the worst fan made fluff ideas ever made, along with Loyalist descendants of Traitor Legions and female Space Marines.

kronk wrote:You army is a bad idea and you should feel bad.

But paint them how you want. I'll still play you.

Pretty much this.

Also, add me to the list of people who don't get why so many want to play corrupted Grey Knights. If you want the rules but not the fluff, just make a counts-as Thousand Sons list.

I man named Willi Shakesman once said;

"Brevity is the soul of wit "

It means don't waste my time, stop it now. Chaos Grey knights are impossible like George Lucus releasing the pure non edited Star Wars films, its a bad idea.

Grey Knights cannot be corrupted by Chaos. At all. They can't be tricked into worshiping Chaos, or working for Chaos.

Are you going to be using them as a count as CSM slaanesh army? Or as a GK army with marks of slaanesh to make them OP?

Mini wise - yeah paint them how you like, GK are nice models! Rules wise - It just won't work in a balanced way

Don't listen to haters. take their words as nothing more than a bad joke.

Go for it! I have no suggestions but I am just trying to add a little encouragement through all this worthless disgusting filth.

As long as you stick to a single codex, and they look good, Dooo Ittt!

Incorruptable grey knights are incorruptable.

Otherwise, go ahead. Just be warned, any fluff loving player will be hating your army.

Hey guys. If you are wondering about a fluff explanation...

Fabius Bile, after witnessing the Grey Knights in action, decides that they are rather amusing. And commences creation of another strand of "enhanced chaos space marines" more capable in psychic might.

In Chaos' eternal mockery of the Imperium, Bile's "Black Knights" wear armor reminiscent of the Elite Chapter of Marines they were inspired from.

there are plenty of ways to get chaos grey knights .

Also they would just be a corrupted GK army which uses the GK rules. Same way people make traitor guard armies using the IG codex.

Blacksails wrote:I don't understand why everyone wants to play chaos Everything.

fixed it for you.

It seems like people that play 40k seem to enjoy making everything evil, especially if it involves breaking major fluff rules.

chaos0xomega wrote:

Blacksails wrote:I don't understand why everyone wants to play chaos Everything.

fixed it for you.

It seems like people that play 40k seem to enjoy making everything evil, especially if it involves breaking major fluff rules.

Never enough grimdark!

Sweet lord, if I knew this would be met so harshly I wouldn't have made the post!

Look, I like the look of the Grey Knights (dem helmets), I like that they're a cheaper army to make so that people with tighter wallets have an easier time to start them. I also like Chaos but don't care for how it's so much more expensive and, quite frankly, broken on both counts (Beasts and Marines). I also thought that the "LOL, all those bad things about Chaos? Yeah, they don't apply to us, ever. We can't be swayed in the least." was just... poor writing.

I like the Death Watch idea though, but, what will people think when I walk in, lay down my marines and go "counts as Grey Knights"?

I had no intention of mixing rules, was going to stick completly to the codex. Nor did I want to be some "special snowflake". It's a wargame with a ton of fluff, there should be some room for doing what you want. Not every GK has to be a knight in shiny silver armor.

People field pre-heresy space marine armies and nobody bats an eyelid.

Since Imperial Armour 10 was released, I've seen several armies based on chapters from the Badab war - some of which are extinct.

Hell, eldar players still use Eldrad and guess what - Eldrad's DEAD! And I bet you he'll be in the next codex too!

But the grey knights turning to Slaanesh? HERESY!

Do whatever you like Namica. It's your money.

Ulthanashville wrote:People field pre-heresy space marine armies and nobody bats an eyelid.

Since Imperial Armour 10 was released, I've seen several armies based on chapters from the Badab war - some of which are extinct.

Hell, eldar players still use Eldrad and guess what - Eldrad's DEAD! And I bet you he'll be in the next codex too!

But the grey knights turning to Slaanesh? HERESY!

Do whatever you like Namica. It's your money.

Yeah, and I was hoping for ideas rather than "Don't do that!"

Namica wrote:

Ulthanashville wrote:People field pre-heresy space marine armies and nobody bats an eyelid.

Since Imperial Armour 10 was released, I've seen several armies based on chapters from the Badab war - some of which are extinct.

Hell, eldar players still use Eldrad and guess what - Eldrad's DEAD! And I bet you he'll be in the next codex too!

But the grey knights turning to Slaanesh? HERESY!

Do whatever you like Namica. It's your money.

Yeah, and I was hoping for ideas rather than "Don't do that!"

Well you did ask from a fluff perspective. Chaos Grey Knights of any sort are out, it's simply not possible. Like many people have said though, this is just a forum, I'd have no qualms playing any army that came my way regardless of concept. I may not be happy about the fluff, but I wouldn't cause an issue at all.

Namica wrote:

Ulthanashville wrote:People field pre-heresy space marine armies and nobody bats an eyelid.

Since Imperial Armour 10 was released, I've seen several armies based on chapters from the Badab war - some of which are extinct.

Hell, eldar players still use Eldrad and guess what - Eldrad's DEAD! And I bet you he'll be in the next codex too!

But the grey knights turning to Slaanesh? HERESY!

Do whatever you like Namica. It's your money.

Yeah, and I was hoping for ideas rather than "Don't do that!"

In fairness it's not that the army wouldn't look awesme (because it probably would) it's that any and all fluff justifications for it are stupid.
If you do the army then fine but the fluff part is usually full of epic failure...

Chaos Space Wolves. Get on that.

A Grey Knight Descendant chapter was formed in the 21st founding, better known as the Dark Founding. Every chapter from that founding has come to a horrible end, and these marines are no exception; a slight, undetected mutation in their Gene-Seed meant these Knights were far more vulnerable to Chaos than their patron chapter, and soon enough, they fell to the whispers of Slannesh

Well if you feel like a bit of a kitbash, I think the grey knights and noise marines aesthetics would be interesting to see blended together. The Emperor's Children lord model has a backpack that definitely screams chaos. It's the little things that set armies apart. At the same time you probably don't want to deviate too far from the knight look. They just need to look DARKER. Think of the archetypal black knight with glowing red eyes wearing spiky armour. Then add a twist here and there. Do a few google image searches of relevant subjects and flick through, see what catches your eye.

Your Friend Doctor Robert wrote:A Grey Knight Descendant chapter was formed in the 21st founding, better known as the Dark Founding. Every chapter from that founding has come to a horrible end, and these marines are no exception; a slight, undetected mutation in their Gene-Seed meant these Knights were far more vulnerable to Chaos than their patron chapter, and soon enough, they fell to the whispers of Slannesh

AFAIK just saying a chapter is a GK descendant is pretty bad.
Exorcists don't count.

If you ask anyone what would be the lamest idea for an army, the majority would answer Chaos Grey Knights immediately, followed on the ranks by Chaos Eldar, Chaos Tau, boob themed Sororitas, female Marines and any army painted PINK (muahaha). If you ask anyone what he knows about Grey Knights, the majority would answer "noone has ever fallen to Chaos".

It is a common phenomenon among young teens to take the purest character class in a game and make a naughty naughty version of it, thinking that they are the first to have this idea (I call it the "paladin syndrome"). WoW couldn't deny this demand by its young gamers and created the evil paladin class "Dark Knights".

You can do with your army what you want, but don't expect universal acceptance or a price for originality.

I would say an incredibly lame idea, would be to take societies greatest enemy, who is largly based on corruption.

Then make an entire army that can't be corrupted, period.

It's shoddy writing.

Namica wrote:I would say an incredibly lame idea, would be to take societies greatest enemy, who is largly based on corruption.

Then make an entire army that can't be corrupted, period.

It's shoddy writing.

No it isn't. Grey Knights have pretty much always been like that.