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iproxtaco wrote:Page 15, the Bloodtide. No, it isn't a virus, it's a Daemonic power released from a Bloodthirster. The Grey Knights need something to stop from being corrupted by the Bloodtides effects, which causes people to explode in a shower of gore or turn insane and attack everything in a blood-rage. The Grey Knights cannot be corrupted into serving Chaos, they can be killed by the effects of corruption.

See the whole sentence here contradicts your argument. Definition of CORRUPTION
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a : impairment of integrity, virtue, or moral principle : depravity b : decay, decomposition c : inducement to wrong by improper or unlawful means (as bribery) d : a departure from the original or from what is pure or correct
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archaic : an agency or influence that corrupts

So they are already supposedly immune to the effects of the corruption. However if i was immune to bullets, i wouldn't go around killing cops to take their bullet proof vests would I? No, I'd go around trying to save the cops by killing the guy with the gun. But since they did kill the sisters, this creates an idea where the GK are not immune to corruption of chaos. Rather they are merely resistant. Which gives The OP a FLUFF reason to have GK corrupted by Slaanesh. It does not fit in with the WH40k mythos to have a incorruptible human force. Personally i find the GK to be a bunch of mary sues who need to be taken down a peg or three.

b : decay, decomposition

it doesn't matter if your flesh starts to melt in your armour now does it even if you are believe in emperor or not. The op would only have his chaos gk at m42 which is beyond the curtain

Don't do it. If you want a Slaanesh army find those nipply daemonettes and use them. Please don't try and get around the fluff, all you'll get is a lot of weird looks from across the table.

I promise, it is okay to conform. It doesn't hurt.

pizzaguardian wrote: b : decay, decomposition

it doesn't matter if your flesh starts to melt in your armour now does it even if you are believe in emperor or not. The op would only have his chaos gk at m42 which is beyond the curtain

They are incorruptible, immune to choas corruption, so they would be immune to chaos mutation. IF they are actually immune.

Darthslowe wrote:Don't do it. If you want a Slaanesh army find those nipply daemonettes and use them. Please don't try and get around the fluff, all you'll get is a lot of weird looks from across the table.

I promise, it is okay to conform. It doesn't hurt.

I'd love to.

If not for Chaos Space Marines being thee most expensive none-horde (with alot of units I don't care for), or Beasts of Chaos being... bad.

ObliviousBlueCaboose wrote:

iproxtaco wrote:Page 15, the Bloodtide. No, it isn't a virus, it's a Daemonic power released from a Bloodthirster. The Grey Knights need something to stop from being corrupted by the Bloodtides effects, which causes people to explode in a shower of gore or turn insane and attack everything in a blood-rage. The Grey Knights cannot be corrupted into serving Chaos, they can be killed by the effects of corruption.

See the whole sentence here contradicts your argument. Definition of CORRUPTION
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a : impairment of integrity, virtue, or moral principle : depravity b : decay, decomposition c : inducement to wrong by improper or unlawful means (as bribery) d : a departure from the original or from what is pure or correct
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archaic : an agency or influence that corrupts

So they are already supposedly immune to the effects of the corruption. However if i was immune to bullets, i wouldn't go around killing cops to take their bullet proof vests would I? No, I'd go around trying to save the cops by killing the guy with the gun. But since they did kill the sisters, this creates an idea where the GK are not immune to corruption of chaos. Rather they are merely resistant. Which gives The OP a FLUFF reason to have GK corrupted by Slaanesh. It does not fit in with the WH40k mythos to have a incorruptible human force. Personally i find the GK to be a bunch of mary sues who need to be taken down a peg or three.

You can't define corruption in 40k like that. In universe there are different forms. You can willingly choose to serve the Dark Gods, that's being corrupted, it's different from being forcibly corrupted to serve the Chaos Gods, which is corruption of the soul and mind. Then there's physical corruption, which is mutation, being killed by Nurgles diseases, and the Bloodtide, to name a few examples. There's no one definition of it. Mat Ward is such a horrifically bad writer technical-wise, that he is unable to get his point across. Who knows, they may or may not be corruptible. What I find odd is, that you say there's conflicting fluff in the book, and yet go and form your own certainty. There is no final conclusion.

ObliviousBlueCaboose wrote:

pizzaguardian wrote: b : decay, decomposition

it doesn't matter if your flesh starts to melt in your armour now does it even if you are believe in emperor or not. The op would only have his chaos gk at m42 which is beyond the curtain

They are incorruptible, immune to choas corruption, so they would be immune to chaos mutation. IF they are actually immune.

they have incorruptible souls not incorruptible flesh which believe it or not, are different things.

Actually i was giving the op a justification for corrupted GK. At least originally. Then it got fun to find supporting the idea. And the text doesn't different from souls and flesh. Also if your flesh fallls to chaos, then your fallen to chaos. Ask all the mutants.

ObliviousBlueCaboose wrote:Actually i was giving the op a justification for corrupted GK. At least originally. Then it got fun to find supporting the idea. And the text doesn't different from souls and flesh. Also if your flesh fallls to chaos, then your fallen to chaos. Ask all the mutants.

There's a difference.

no actually if the mutations are a side effect of you worshipping chaos gods so the soul is already corrupted.If we are talking about regular mutants from the regular hive world radiation causes that and they can still be faithfull altough the inquisiton appereantly doesnt think so.

And nobody here is going to stop OP from making a chaos GK models since how can we? The whole point of the discussion going on here is forcing the issue of the poor writing of matt ward and trying to make an implausible idea of chaos gk plausible by destroying the more plausible one of none have fallen to chaos and never will.

What is chaos? A constant,or a variable? Chaos is not one thing: it is both a twisted perversion and a stark contradiction of our emotions, morals and ideas. Chaos does what it wants to, so long as the idea behind it is, now hereby called lolwut?, powerful enough to make a difference. Theoretically, the ruinous powers could corrupt the grey knights with enough lolwut?, which they could aquire in, oh let's say, the 42nd millenium. A chaos grey knight army is now impossible.
Commence trolling

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People argue over science fiction logic from a poorly written set of information that at times contradicts itself while straying from the original intent of the thread.

Couldn't you just make them Iron Warriors? gak the grey knights look wonderfully armor/knightish. (Would make more sense then Gk's going to chaos...)

I think it is obvious . And i assume the original thought of this thread is already answered half a doze times.

Go for the chaos GK , your question is pretty redundant imo , since slaneesh is the wrong choice to corrupt the gk s, it would probably nurgle if not tzeentch beats him to the spot.
You can always make the bloodtide going on as well, gore coming out of palces and mutate arms legs of the models...

Is that on the track as you wish?

pizzaguardian wrote:I think it is obvious . And i assume the original thought of this thread is already answered half a doze times.

Go for the chaos GK , your question is pretty redundant imo , since slaneesh is the wrong choice to corrupt the gk s, it would probably nurgle if not tzeentch beats him to the spot.
You can always make the bloodtide going on as well, gore coming out of palces and mutate arms legs of the models...

Is that on the track as you wish?

Well yes, but if you read the thread I conceded to drop the idea for Chaos GK and asked for ideas on using the GK models and rules while straying from the cookie cutter GK.

as been said before
thousand sons since as far as i know it is common for them to have a psyker in every squad(similar to eldar spritseers) , not sure about this tough.

I personnaly like the thousand son marine box and they can be used as purifiers maybe? but you want to use the gk models so it needs to be a terminator heavy army but i dont know any chaos army like that...

Question, does the codex GK say anywhere that their gear can't be used by others?

If not, then there's a perfect loophole. Over the last 10 millinia, X chaos warband has collected the arms and armor of the GK, and it goes to their warbands greatest champions

this actually has been considered before and it has came down to : some daemonettes killed grey knights and stole their armour so now they are wearing it.

There is a direct mention that it is sealed and protected by the best sigils know to the imperium of man so one would assume it is really hard to cleanse it from the GK, but acceptable.

Altough there are no direct references of the armour is not wearable by chaos champions there are some mentioning that the armour itself is a weapon in the fight so for a chaos champion it would like wearing a posinous thing. It has even ingame penalties to psykers trying to target it.

Jeez, it's like GW took an army, and said:

"No one shall ever do anything creative with this army in this game that's one part creativity, and one part war"

Slaanesh GK:
Everything has halberds=mark of slaanesh
Psycannons=blast masters
Storm bolters=the slaanesh bolter thing
Forceweapon=the instant death power of the sword thing

Happy?

that is pretty much how gk works and why this thread heated up so easily. GK s are not supposed to be corrupted on tabletop or fluffwise.

Oh and the codex before this one actually says it is psychically charged to fight unholy and has
hexagrammic wards
anointed and inscribed with prayers
and in game it actually simply made every GK unit have a psychcic hood in game wise.

Grey knights are probably the "evilest" of all space marines that fight for the imperium. That being said, it sounds cool but probaly would not happen.

However who is to say that your new chaos legion did not defeat the Grey Knights in battle and took and corrupted their "armor"? That could work better fluff wise.

Again its cannon they can be corrupted. Unless you wish to argue that the grey knights codex isn't cannon.

k it was actually enjoyable arguing with you but how are you even reading my posts, the last oen had nothing to do with canon or fluff , it was simply how people see the grey knights. and when does supposed to means infinite absolution?

Namica wrote:What will people think when I walk in, lay down my marines and go "counts as Grey Knights"?

I don't think anyone would mind. There are plenty of examples out there of using the Grey Knights codex to represent another force, the best one probably being 30K Thousand Sons.

Nor did I want to be some "special snowflake". It's a wargame with a ton of fluff, there should be some room for doing what you want. Not every GK has to be a knight in shiny silver armor.

Yes, they do. There are few immutable and absolute things in 40k fluff, but that is one of them.

And anyway, they only look like knights in shiny silver armor, they are actually quite ruthless dicks.


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ObliviousBlueCaboose wrote:They are incorruptible, immune to choas corruption, so they would be immune to chaos mutation. IF they are actually immune.

No, although their various wards and such make them resistant to psychic powers, they can still be killed by a Bolt of Change or similar abilities. The incorruptibility comes into play when talking about their faith in the Emperor and utter rejection of Chaos.

Meh, I'll work on the idea more. I've got plenty of ways to use GK rules and models but not be GK at this point (chaos chapters, stolen armor and weapons etc...)

Or just go with steam punk DE, who knows.


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No, although their various wards and such make them resistant to psychic powers, they can still be killed by a Bolt of Change or similar abilities. The incorruptibility comes into play when talking about their faith in the Emperor and utter rejection of Chaos.

So each and every GK has a stronger will than the traitor primarchs.

ObliviousBlueCaboose wrote:Again its cannon they can be corrupted. Unless you wish to argue that the grey knights codex isn't cannon.

No, it isn't. Again, you proved their are a few contradictions, you cannot then use that come up with one conclusion. If you want to just choose whatever outcome you prefer then fine, I'll do the same thing. Grey Knights are incorruptible, it says it in the codex. Don't bother trying to argue again. Even at the base-line of your argument, the codex isn't "cannon".

You can't use the idea that another faction is using the Grey Knight's gear. Simply put, they can't. The only place they get their armour and weapons from is their own private Forge World. No other faction uses it. Nemesis Force weapons are made by the Grey Knights in their Fortress Monastery, so there's no way any random Space Marines getting hold of a few Halberds. At the same time, any other faction isn't going to able to use the stuff. It all boils down to either they aren't psykers, or Space Marines, or both. For Chaos to use it, in any way, they're going to have to completely break down the armour into it's base components, and by that stage it wont even be recognizable as Grey Knight armour.


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Namica wrote:

No, although their various wards and such make them resistant to psychic powers, they can still be killed by a Bolt of Change or similar abilities. The incorruptibility comes into play when talking about their faith in the Emperor and utter rejection of Chaos.

So each and every GK has a stronger will than the traitor primarchs.

Yes, since the Grey Knights are largely devoid of the flaws the Primarchs had, and are aware of what they're resisting. The Primarchs had no idea what they were dealing with.

Namica wrote:So each and every GK has a stronger will than the traitor primarchs.

When it comes to resisting the lure of Chaos? Absolutely.

You have to remember that the Primarchs, for all their power and skill, were basically naive and brattish children. Lorgar fell to Chaos because he felt daddy didn't love him enough, Horus sparked off the Heresy because he thought he wouldn't be remembered enough, while Fulgrim thought that the voice in his head telling him poop is awesome was actually his conscience.

ObliviousBlueCaboose wrote:Again its cannon they can be corrupted. Unless you wish to argue that the grey knights codex isn't cannon.

They can be, sure. They have free will afterall, and they can choose what they do. They won't bow to Chaos though. Chaos can't offer them what they want.

Namica wrote:I would say an incredibly lame idea, would be to take societies greatest enemy, who is largly based on corruption.

Then make an entire army that can't be corrupted, period.

It's shoddy writing.

they had to make something incorruptible to make it more epic, its very good writing

the bloodtide, i suspect would have corrupted thier flesh only, the whole reason they are chosen is so they have incorruptible souls.

mutants are allowed, grudgingly, to live in and work for the imperium.

i would use the idea that the inquisitor is corrupt and the GK's are just using him, as a player, i would question the 'deathwatch with GK weapons' idea.

also, don't use the 'chaos using GK weapons' idea, GK weapons and armour are laced with silver and are psychically charged for good, using it would burn the servants of chaos, and they would have to be psykers to use the weapons.