Making an army: Corrupted Grey Knights of Slaanesh.

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**Sanon**

iproxtaco wrote:
Sanon wrote:The book contradicts itself.

Honestly, it does, read it with a mind of "they can be corrupted" and you'll see it everywhere.

Even when it directly states the opposite? Ok then. Yeah, I think, "Oh, what I thought when I started reading this book was actually wrong, who'd have thought it?".

It says constantly, throughout the entire book that there is a danger of being corrupted.

It also says they can never be corrupted.

If that's not a blatant contradiction I don't know what is.

**iproxtaco**

Sanon wrote:
iproxtaco wrote:
Sanon wrote:The book contradicts itself.

Honestly, it does, read it with a mind of "they can be corrupted" and you'll see it everywhere.

Even when it directly states the opposite? Ok then. Yeah, I think, "Oh, what I thought when I started reading this book was actually wrong, who'd have thought it?".

It says constantly, throughout the entire book that there is a danger of being corrupted.

It also says they can never be corrupted.

If that's not a blatant contradiction I don't know what is.

No it doesn't. Go and list the examples where the Grey Knights could fall to Chaos.

**squidhills**

iproxtaco wrote:Lets, for a minute, take anything you're saying seriously. I think the only thing to say really, is that your facts are wrong. Back again to thinking you're a huge persistent troll.

Why? He's posted quotes from the Codex to back up his assertions.

**iproxtaco**

squidhills wrote:
iproxtaco wrote:Lets, for a minute, take anything you're saying seriously. I think the only thing to say really, is that your facts are wrong. Back again to thinking you're a huge persistent troll.

Why? He's posted quotes from the Codex to back up his assertions.

He posted a quote which doesn't back up his assertions but actually contradicts him.

**pizzaguardian**

oblivious i read the cover to cover a dozen times so please don't entertain yourself with the idea that everybody else is stupid...

"Fact. Grey Knights cannot be corrupted. "

Really this is what you pull out from the codex?

For the daemon blade it has a paragraph just about how crowe must always be on guard to the temptations of the sword. He is not immune to it just really really resistant.

They dont fight alongside daemons they fight alongside daemonhosts which all comes up to to using the enemies weapons against itself principal.

The book says the GK can be corrupted it actually has a huge neon sign on it. The problem with the chaos GK is in the 10k years of their existence, we the all knowing reader know with absolute certainty that not a single one has fallen to chaos. I made those suggestions just to be able to reach the ridicolousness of your saying.
The killing of the sisters has been well explained in many many threads just on the dakka which explains it usin various ways from it being a virus weapon to it actually decays your flesh and corrupts it beyond your control which can also be likened to a computer virus.

It seems like to please you of the idea that grey knights are not chaos already is for them to be not psychic and die to the touch of a daemon. (sarcasm detected beep beep beep)

edit:fixing typoes

**ObliviousBlueCaboose**

iproxtaco wrote:Lets, for a minute, take anything you're saying seriously. I think the only thing to say really, is that your facts are wrong. Back again to thinking you're a huge persistent troll.

Nope if you have really read the codex, with a mindset other thant "OMG GREY KNIGHS ARE THE BESTESTS AND CAN NEVER EVER BE CORRUPTED" you will have read a few inconsistency. The blood tide being a big one. The codex states the GK cannot be corrupted. Yet they slaughtered the sisters to wear the blood on their armor to protect from corruption. Now if i was immune to corruption whould i do this? They will fight along deamonhosts, which are bound deamons, DEAMONS, the very thing they are created to fight. They mind wipe or kill everyone who assists them, to keep the exsistance of deamons a secret is the official story. They have a guy who carries a deamon blade. supposedly he can't be corrupted, however if you look at the bloodtide story it makes that suspect. As does Drago in the warp. If the blood tide cause the GK to fear corruption, the warp is exponentially grater threat of corruption.

The codex is full of inconsistencies, and if you actually think about it, it is entirely possible that GK can be corrupted.

Pizza man go read the codex. Page 5. I'll wait.

You read it ? Good. Now what did it say.

**nectarprime**

I like to think as much of the GK codex as Imperial propaganda that they feed to the rest of the GKs. They deny that any of their brothers have ever been corrupted, because telling them the truth might plant the seed of Chaos in them. Like others have said, if they were incorruptible, why did they slaughter those SoB?

**ObliviousBlueCaboose**

nectarprime wrote:I like to think as much of the GK codex as Imperial propaganda that they feed to the rest of the GKs. They deny that any of their brothers have ever been corrupted, because telling them the truth might plant the seed of Chaos in them. Like others have said, if they were incorruptible, why did they slaughter those SoB?

QFT. The codexes are propaganda. Always take it with a grain of salt. Keep an open mind. If its too good to be true, it probably is.

**nectarprime**

ObliviousBlueCaboose wrote:
nectarprime wrote:I like to think as much of the GK codex as Imperial propaganda that they feed to the rest of the GKs. They deny that any of their brothers have ever been corrupted, because telling them the truth might plant the seed of Chaos in them. Like others have said, if they were incorruptible, why did they slaughter those SoB?

QFT. The codexes are propaganda. Always take it with a grain of salt. Keep an open mind. If its too good to be true, it probably is.

Yup. This is why I think there's something we don't know about Draigo, and that Mephiston is in fact a daemon prince.

**squidhills**

iproxtaco wrote:
squidhills wrote:
iproxtaco wrote:Lets, for a minute, take anything you're saying seriously. I think the only thing to say really, is that your facts are wrong. Back again to thinking you're a huge persistent troll.

Why? He's posted quotes from the Codex to back up his assertions.

He posted a quote which doesn't back up his assertions but actually contradicts him.

Really? I count two quotes... here they are again.

No. It states they needed a tailismen to protect from the bloodtides taint. And it shielded them from the corruption. Exact quotes is "So shielded, the Grey Knights are able to stride through the goreflood without risk of Corruption" Pg. 15.

"They are the Emperor's final boon to Mankind, an army of unfaltering and INCORRUPTIBLE warriors of forgotten science."

They both support exactly what he's saying. They are "incorruptible" yet require a blood sacrifice to avoid "corruption". He's been saying the codex is contradictory. Those two quotes back up his assertion: Codex GK contradicts itself. The codex reads like parts of it were written a) by more than one author who might not have agreed with what the other guy was doing, or b) by a guy who throws words at a page without considering what they mean.

**ObliviousBlueCaboose**

You'll have to enlighten me on Mephiston. I havent read that codex. Infact blood angles and necrons are the 2 codex i havent bought.

**CpatTom**

Neither of you is going to change the others mind.

That being said, Caboose's argument is stronger, because he lists his points and some opposing view points and produces a conclusion from there.

Those arguing that the Grey Knights are incorruptible usually point to a single sentence and ignore the rest of the arguments leveled against them.

That being said they can be corruptible and never have been corrupted. Having the capacity for something, and doing it are two very different things.

There should be a White Knights Chapter, who are not grimdark, and give out lollipops to kids, and tell the IG good job and give them stickers, and are Led by Master Rogers and against the evil of Chaos trying to ruin the IoM's neighborhood.

**nectarprime**

iproxtaco, have you read the codex?

ObliviousBlueCaboose, you can read about him here http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Mephiston

Fun fact, he is the librarian from the Space Hulk board game, but that was before his "rebirth".

**ObliviousBlueCaboose**

CpatTom wrote:Neither of you is going to change the others mind.

That being said, Caboose's argument is stronger, because he lists his points and some opposing view points and produces a conclusion from there.

Those arguing that the Grey Knights are incorruptible usually point to a single sentence and ignore the rest of the arguments leveled against them.

That being said they can be corruptible and never have been corrupted. Having the capacity for something, and doing it are two very different things.

There should be a White Knights Chapter, who are not grimdark, and give out lollipops to kids, and tell the IG good job and give them stickers, and are Led by Master Rogers and against the evil of Chaos trying to ruin the IoM's neighborhood.

This just made my day.

**Uhlan**

I think the OP has a great idea and should run with it. I mean, I've heard worse ideas.

Besides, I need something to fight the "Redeemed" , my Super-loyalist Astartes-DemonHosts who just happen to suffer from Klinefelters syndrome.

**ObliviousBlueCaboose**

Uhlan wrote:I think the OP has a great idea and should run with it. I mean, I've heard worse ideas.

Besides, I need something to fight the "Redeemed" , my Super-loyalist Astartes-DemonHosts who just happen to suffer from Klinefelters syndrome.

And i thought i was an awesome idea and was giving him fluff based justification for doing so.

**Namica**

Is it so bad that I want to field the GK in a way that's not straight from the book without having to "I'm SM, using GK models" which would pretty much double the price of a SM army?

Now that I think about it, wouldn't the Word Bearers work -perfectly- with the GK rules and units?

**ObliviousBlueCaboose**

Nope, its your army, do what you want. And yes i got a firend working on a word bears army using the grey knight. I used to think the gk were incorruptible until he pointed out those inconsistencies to me.

**Coolyo294**

IMO, Word Bearers would work out better as BT.

**pizzaguardian**

they have dark apostles not psykers
i am going with the crowd saying that thousand sons would be better ruleswise . you can say like the justicar is the sorcerer, or the knight of the flame...

**Durza**

Oh, by the way, has that $5 gone in the Imperial daemonettes jar yet?

**MORA**

most people will react bad to trying to demonize the beloved grey knights but I love it ..MFW when other looks upon it badly......................

**Namica**

It came down to me going Dark Eldar or Grey Knights.

I've been told by so many to go with whichever army I think I'd enjoy painting more. For awhile now I've been using a friends army, and helping him paint it, this is due in large part to financial troubles I ran into preventing me from getting my own.

I like the look of the two greatly, the problem is, I'm not the biggest fan of the GK's titanium plated plot armor. It came down to a GK offshot or a Dark Eldar "Clockwork Kabal" which was going to be a bronze colored, steampunk-ish DE army (I have alot of gears that I could use for decoration).

The thing is, I also took various army lists, and priced them up for both GK and DE. GK averages around .19-.23 cents per point. While the DE average .25+ with it getting higher in the larger point values (and that's using the battlebox and using -all- the reavers, as well as converting some units into HQ, not to mention doesn't factor the greater amounts of needed paint)

Those cents add up quick, and given a choice between two armies with looks I like, I'd go with the cheaper.

**MORA**

You could jsut take draigo and 10 grey knight paladins and use that for 1750......or you could do something different than everyone else sporting the same 3 lists and calling it competive. If you are worried about costs and numbers then pick a different game bro. Or looking into recasting like myself

**Namica**

MORA wrote:You could jsut take draigo and 10 grey knight paladins and use that for 1750......or you could do something different than everyone else sporting the same 3 lists and calling it competive. If you are worried about costs and numbers then pick a different game bro. Or looking into recasting like myself

Oh, I'm not worried about the price. It's like I said, two armies I like about equally, one is cheaper, one is more expensive. I've done various lists, even ones I've made myself, GK always come out cheaper per point.

**Chowderhead**

Another fething Chaos Grey Knight Thread? :Facepalm:

Also, I feel that BT would be a better codex (Fluff-wise) For the Word Bearers.

**MORA**

I bouight the dark eldar battleforce box.....came with 10 warriors and wyches....3 reavers and a raider....I made 3 hellions and a archon form the crew of the radier. it puts you about 700 pts if you do it that way.....so your looking at about 1500pts if you buy two boxs...

**CpatTom**

ObliviousBlueCaboose wrote:
CpatTom wrote:Neither of you is going to change the others mind.

That being said, Caboose's argument is stronger, because he lists his points and some opposing view points and produces a conclusion from there.

Those arguing that the Grey Knights are incorruptible usually point to a single sentence and ignore the rest of the arguments leveled against them.

That being said they can be corruptible and never have been corrupted. Having the capacity for something, and doing it are two very different things.

There should be a White Knights Chapter, who are not grimdark, and give out lollipops to kids, and tell the IG good job and give them stickers, and are Led by Master Rogers and against the evil of Chaos trying to ruin the IoM's neighborhood.

This just made my day.

I've never made a sig before, I'm honored. Haha, Master Rodgers can accomplish anything!

**iproxtaco**

I give up with this book, I really do. Why gave the Grey Knights to someone like Mat Ward? Did no one even check to make sure he was making sense and was consistent? Look, here's how far I got in my breakdown of the codex.

Ok, I'm game.

Page 5 :

- "it takes an army so pure of purpose as to be utterly beyond temptation. In all of the Imperium is there is but one such force,"

- "They are the Emperor's final boon to Mankind, and army of unfaltering and incorruptible warriors"

Page 6:

- "A Grey Knight's psychic presence is anathema to the creatures of the Warp, utterly unpalatable to a Daemon's dark appetites and thus entirely immune from corruption."

- Thusly armoured, a Grey Knight can wield forbidden sorceries, harness tainted artifacts and scour the pages of blasphemous tombs without risk of being overwhelmed by the cursed power at his command."

Page 8, read the bit about the Banishment of Daemons, the use of True Names can damn some, but Grey Knights use them without fear.

Page 15, the Bloodtide. No, it isn't a virus, it's a Daemonic power released from a Bloodthirster. The Grey Knights need something to stop from being corrupted by the Bloodtides effects, which causes people to explode in a shower of gore or turn insane and attack everything in a blood-rage. The Grey Knights cannot be corrupted into serving Chaos, they can be killed by the effects of corruption.

Page 23

- "After all, when one's soul is hardened against the promises and blandishments proferred by Daemons"

- "Why should I fear the Daemon? He has no power over me." Brother-Captain Castavor Drak

Page 24

- "for the Grey Knights to remain incorruptible"

I had already tactically ignored one quote that contradicts everything here, but I gave up when I got to the Purifiers and Crowe. The ideas are fine, the writing is just horrendous. Mat Ward truly has the worst technical writing skill of any Codex writer I've ever seen. Whether they are or aren't corruptible, we'll never know, I agree with Kroothawk, it's still a stupid childish idea.

**Namica**

MORA wrote:I bouight the dark eldar battleforce box.....came with 10 warriors and wyches....3 reavers and a raider....I made 3 hellions and a archon form the crew of the radier. it puts you about 700 pts if you do it that way.....so your looking at about 1500pts if you buy two boxs...

I'd like to see your math, because with that, excluding wargear, you'd be at 397 points, and can squeeze maybe 100-150 in wargear if you try (and end up with badly kitted units)

Also wondering how you made hellions, unless you made their boards from something else.

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Just taken from the Librarian page. I'd find you more, but I don't want to spend my night finding each quote.

"To show the slightest wavering, the most momentary of weaknesses, is to offer oneself up to those otherworldly predators and to eternal damnation beyond."

"Such mysteries can never be allowed to escape the confines of the Sanctum Sanctorum, for the fear is ever that even some amongst the Grey Knights would not prove immune to their temptations."