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If I leave the fins off my wave serpents for non-gaming purposes (ease of modelling, ease of storage and ease of transportation being the main 3, as well as them being hellishly ugly) can an opponent claim MfA in-game if I plonk them on the table? The fins could potentially be the difference between physically fitting in a narrow gap or not (a scenario I cannot envisage on the tables, but an argument against the removal of the fins nontheless) but I don't want to be left having to buy an expensive case just for transport of my serpents, or risk damage whenever I decide to use my Eldar.

What are the thoughts of the masses? I myself am leaning towards it being MfA (since I want to play it safe and not try and push my luck).

I don't have them on any of my serpents, nor do any of my friends. They're a pita, always breaking off and snagging models and terrain. In the vast majority of circumstances it with never make a difference since the vehicle flies over tight gaps, anyway. Is there anything that says they have to be put on?

I magnetized mine. I put small magnets which fit into the bottom in them and matching ones inside the chassis. I made them opposite poles so the left ones only stick on the left and right ones only on the right. I also magnetized the turret mount and the extended hull. Voila, it can be a Wave Serpent or presto chango a Falcon.

Since the aren't hull, you can't draw line of sight to them anyway.

Homer

Magnetising requires magnets and at least a modicum of modelling skill, both of which I lack, and doubt I can get hold of before next Friday.

The hull LoS isn't what I was worried about, it was mainly the fact that, as JB said, they can snag on models and terrain, and the very suggestion that it could cause the model to fit where it otherwise could not would give someone a case against me.

As for things that require them to be fixed on, the instructions don't list them as additional or optional extras, and people can argue that the instructions need to be followed almost precisely (there was a debate not long back about a Razorback modelled with the turret hatch back to front on the model from what the instructions showed, giving it about an extra inch or so of range - It's not exactly the same as this issue, but it was generally thought that by not following the instructions for weapon placement, the model was not game legal, which could potentially extend to other parts of the model).

Just give your opponent the benefit of doubt whenever they actually matter and you should be fine.

Small bits of vehicles such as the fins sticking out don't even count towards being in line of sight for the rules anyways, so even if you left them on and that's all th opponent can see they wouldn't be able to shoot as it is.

2 things, first DOD is right, they don't matter for anything more then looks, second what is Modelling for Advantage and where is it described in the rules?

Avatar 720 wrote:If I leave the fins off my wave serpents for non-gaming purposes

You are fine.

Unless things get to the point of blatant abuse, it generally say more about the person claiming it than the person doing it.

/shrug

They are one the model standard. If they aren't hull, just state that to your opponent every game if they need to know, though it should be obvious.

As for leaving them off, you are welcome to. I see no reason why anyone should be angry of the lack of little spike like things on a vehicle.

If anyone tries to say you are modeling for advantage, call him out on any non-standard posed vehicles he may have. Or just on being a douche-bag, it's against the rules after all.

The older design had tiny ones that didn't stick out far, would using one of those be MFA?

I don't have the fins on ANY of my wave serpents.

All of mine have crystal teardrops (fake gemstones from a craft store) along the wings (3) and one on the outside of each engine housing tp represent the field generator.

They all have the extended hulls.
Haven't had any issues in tourneys.
'Course, haven't played in one for almost two years, either. We have too many "GW purist model-fascists" for my liking (who only ever play in the local dogbox* GW store).


*Calling it a dogbox is probably misleading. Dog Kennels are often larger and smell more pleasant.