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This was a question that came up durng a game, that we didn't knew how to solve.

Five terminators deepstrike and have a mishap.
We roll the dice, and the opponent gets to chose the DS place.
He takes, the model and places it directly in the boards corner.

If you deepstrike, you have to make a full circle around the original model, before you can start a second circle. ( if we're not mistaken)

But if he's in the corner, only two terminators can stand on the board in base contact with the original model. The rest can't be placed, since you have to make a full circle first.

Does this means that:

- there is a second deepstrike mishap
- the two remaining terminaters are dead
- you can start the second circle.
- or possibly, the entire unit is wiped

And another minor question:

if you manage to wipe out a necron unit in your turn, can it still use the WBB rule?


Thanks for reading, and hopefully we'll have our answer soon.

IIRC the unit must be placed in a valid location, ie one which allows the whole unit to be placed.

As for the necrons in the case you described they would get WWB only if there is another necron unit within range and would join the other unit.

No, according to BRB 95 "Deep strike mishaps" Misplaced you "you deploy the unit anywhere" So you dont place one models first and then the rest, but all at the same time in the normal circle formation They cannot mishap again since you dont roll anything or allowed to place them on anything that causes a mishap. (but like the rule says you can place them in difficult terrain and cause danger terrain test)

Ah thanks, for the quick reply.

I already thought something iffy was going on, when he placed it there.

sillyboy wrote:
And another minor question:

if you manage to wipe out a necron unit in your turn, can it still use the WBB rule?


Thanks for reading, and hopefully we'll have our answer soon.

Unless there are other models of the relevant type nearby, or a Tomb Scarab, no, it cannot.

We had a rather long argument about this topic a few weeks ago. Basically it boiled down to two sides:

Side A: If a unit mishaps and the opponent is allowed to deploy them again, he may automatically cause another mishap if he wants. This can continue until the mishap roll results in either the unit going into reserves or the unit being destroyed.

Side B: The intention of the rule is for the opponent to place the unit in a valid location. If the opponent could cause another mishap, they always would, and the mishap table would effectively be just "go back to reserves" or death.


I am a FIRM believer in side B. But, there was dissenting opinion on this.

I agree with Grakmar.

The only reason I would say that he couldn't do that is because of what the deepstrike mishap table says. In essence both sides A and B that Grakmar mentioned are correct.

Here is why I say this, the rules state that the opponent may place the unit anywhere on the table except impassible terrain, but the unit must be in a valid formation and no scatter is rolled for.

Here is my take, the opponent places them anywhere but they must be able to validly fit where they are placed otherwise they are not in a valid formation.

Well first of all that is a dick move and second of all a model can only mishap once so he has to put it somewhere that it won't mishap them.

jeremyj1234 wrote:Well first of all that is a dick move and second of all a model can only mishap once so he has to put it somewhere that it won't mishap them.

Lots of people assume that a model can only mishap once. But, it doesn't actually appear in the rulebook anywhere.

Hence, our argument.

jeremyj1234 wrote:a model can only mishap once

If this were an actual rule it would make the "delayed" mishap awesome.
Amungst other things.

jeremyj1234 wrote:model can only mishap once

I have to agree with Grakmar on this, a unit isn't limited in the number of mishaps, but I do believe that you opponent is breaking the stipulation of the unit being placed in valid formation by making it so that the entire unit can not deploy.

DakkaDakka wrote:

The rule for misplaced states:

"Your opponent may deploy the unit anywhere on the table (exluding impassable terrain..."

Page 13 states:

"Remember that other models, friends and enemies, also count as impassable terrain."

So it is impossible to deploy the misplaced unit anywhere that can cause a mishap.

Note that impassable terrain is not the only thing that causes a mishap. In fact, in the OPs example it wasn't impassable terrain, rather it was the board edge.So simply citing "excluding impassable terrain" and calling the 2nd mishap impossible isn't correct.

Page 95 says "... because they would land off the table, in impassable terrain, on top of a friendly model, or on top of or within 1" of an enemy model, something has gone wrong."

Italics mine.

Trickstick wrote:"Your opponent may deploy the unit anywhere on the table (exluding impassable terrain..."

"On the table" excludes placing the unit off the table, or partially off the table.

And let's not throw warp quake into the mess, shall we?

imweasel wrote:And let's not throw warp quake into the mess, shall we?

Ack, tricky one. It then comes down to if the deployment is actually a deep strike or not. I would be of the opinion that it is not, as misplaced does not say that it is. It simply states that the unit is deployed at a position, not deep struck there.

Not nearly as cut and dried as the original question but I don't think it is too bad. Probably more open to debate though.

Trickstick wrote:The rule for misplaced states:

"Your opponent may deploy the unit anywhere on the table (exluding impassable terrain..."

Page 13 states:

"Remember that other models, friends and enemies, also count as impassable terrain."

So it is impossible to deploy the misplaced unit anywhere that can cause a mishap.

But, you could still place models within 1" of an enemy unit. That's not impassible terrain, and it would cause another mishap.

(Again, I'm fully in favor of the interpretation that you cannot cause another mishap, just pointing out that the rules are vague.)

Trickstick wrote:

Trickstick wrote:"Your opponent may deploy the unit anywhere on the table (exluding impassable terrain..."

"On the table" excludes placing the unit off the table, or partially off the table.

Wow I can't read. Thanks and sorry.

Grakmar wrote:

Trickstick wrote:The rule for misplaced states:

"Your opponent may deploy the unit anywhere on the table (exluding impassable terrain..."

Page 13 states:

"Remember that other models, friends and enemies, also count as impassable terrain."

So it is impossible to deploy the misplaced unit anywhere that can cause a mishap.

But, you could still place models within 1" of an enemy unit. That's not impassible terrain, and it would cause another mishap.

(Again, I'm fully in favor of the interpretation that you cannot cause another mishap, just pointing out that the rules are vague.)

You cannot move within one inch of enemy models except for assault. I think it states it as impassable but I'll double check to make sure. Don't have the rulebook on me right now.

Grakmar wrote:But, you could still place models within 1" of an enemy unit. That's not impassible terrain, and it would cause another mishap.

Fair enough, I didn't think about that. I would consider within 1" of an enemy to be impassable but it is a hole in the rules. I would argue that it would not count as a "valid deepstrike formation" but that is open to interpretation.

Ok, I haven't read right through, but what happens if a unit suffers mishap from something like GK Squad's Warp Quake, and are placed in the same spot? They would be deep striking into Mishap Zone, so would they suffer mishap again?

Deadshot wrote:Ok, I haven't read right through, but what happens if a unit suffers mishap from something like GK Squad's Warp Quake, and are placed in the same spot? They would be deep striking into Mishap Zone, so would they suffer mishap again?

It depends on who you talk to. The second time you place them it is argued they are not deep striking and therefore warp quake does not work since it only applies to deep striking.

rogueeyes wrote:

Deadshot wrote:Ok, I haven't read right through, but what happens if a unit suffers mishap from something like GK Squad's Warp Quake, and are placed in the same spot? They would be deep striking into Mishap Zone, so would they suffer mishap again?

It depends on who you talk to. The second time you place them it is argued they are not deep striking and therefore warp quake does not work since it only applies to deep striking.

You have to re-read the misplaced rule. The opponent deploys the unit anywhere on the table. Not just the first model, but the unit. This would include all models in the unit.

They must be deployed in a valid deep strike formation. This would be the first model is placed, the next models are placed in a circle around the first, etc. All the models in the unit have to be placed on the table.

They can't be placed in impassable terrain, off the table, on friendly units or on top of or within 1" of enemy units because any of these conditions causes a mishap so are not valid deep strike formations. The mishap section says that "If any of the models in a deep striking unit cannot be deployed..." then something has gone wrong which will cause a mishap. So in order to be a vailid deep strike formation, it must be one in which the unit is fully deployed.

And being misplaced is indeed deep striking. The misplaced rule says the "...opponent may place the unit anywhere on the table (excluding impassable terrain, but including difficult terrain, which of course counts as dangerous for deep striking units!)..." {emphasis mine}

Do we really need to get back into opponent placing a misplaced unit into a warpquake area again?