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If a space marine captain is attached to an imperial guard infantry squad, and the squad loses 9 people so it is falling back with only one member left as well as the captain, what happens? does the captains and we shall know no fear rule affect both of them? or do they just keep falling back and the rule is ignored? or does it only affect the captain and the captain regroups and leaves the squad but the guardsman keeps falling back?

There are no rules that allow a SM captain to be joined to any IG unit.

Any 2v2 scenario (I can only imagine you are playing as allies) is not covered in the rules.

All people involved in a 2v2 game must agree upon the rules before hand.

If a situation that you did not cover comes up, you have to solve it as best you can.

tyrantguard101 wrote:If a space marine captain is attached to an imperial guard infantry squad, and the squad loses 9 people so it is falling back with only one member left as well as the captain, what happens? does the captains and we shall know no fear rule affect both of them? or do they just keep falling back and the rule is ignored? or does it only affect the captain and the captain regroups and leaves the squad but the guardsman keeps falling back?

In that scenario, you're screwed. Special rules don't apply "down" to a squad from a character unless they state so in either the main book or the codex in question. IIRC, there is no mention of passing it down to other units (other than servitors) so you're running off the table (since IG can't regroup under half strength). Your only hope would be for the opposing player to be stupid enough to shoot the squad so you could remove the remaining guardsmen, allowing you to regroup.

The whole unit must have the special rule for it to work.

In your case the guardsman must die before the unit is allowed to regroup. Or the unit must become fearless, or some other special ability/rule must affect them.

In the specific case of And They Shall Know No Fear, there are exclusions. In the base SM Codex, it specifies that units containing servitors will benefit from ATSKNF as long as there is a single Marine in their unit. In the GK Codex, it instead uses the wording 'not entirely formed of Grey Knights,' which allows, say, a Grand Master to autoregroup a henchman group he is attached to, or a Strike Squad to autoregroup while an Inquisitor is attached.

Since your particular case lies outside the rules, it basically comes down to whether you want to be generous and say that the intent of ATSKNF is that it works as long as there is a Marine in the unit, or go with the exact Codex: Space Marines wording (since the relevant unit is from that codex) and say that it only applies to servitors by the rules as written.

tyrantguard101 wrote:If a space marine captain is attached to an imperial guard infantry squad, and the squad loses 9 people so it is falling back with only one member left as well as the captain, what happens? does the captains and we shall know no fear rule affect both of them? or do they just keep falling back and the rule is ignored? or does it only affect the captain and the captain regroups and leaves the squad but the guardsman keeps falling back?

How the frek did a SM captain end up leading an IG infantry squad? Did he spill caff on Calgar's boots or something?

I get the combined forces, but why on earth pair a SM Captain with IG in a battle?

warboss wrote:

tyrantguard101 wrote:If a space marine captain is attached to an imperial guard infantry squad, and the squad loses 9 people so it is falling back with only one member left as well as the captain, what happens? does the captains and we shall know no fear rule affect both of them? or do they just keep falling back and the rule is ignored? or does it only affect the captain and the captain regroups and leaves the squad but the guardsman keeps falling back?

In that scenario, you're screwed. Special rules don't apply "down" to a squad from a character unless they state so in either the main book or the codex in question. IIRC, there is no mention of passing it down to other units (other than servitors) so you're running off the table (since IG can't regroup under half strength). Your only hope would be for the opposing player to be stupid enough to shoot the squad so you could remove the remaining guardsmen, allowing you to regroup.

if the squad had bastonne it could regroup, but yeah, this is definitely something that has to get sorted out before the game imho

bastonne can have them regroup, no matter what