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2011/10/24 20:27:13
Subject: I need some clarification on a psyker rule
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Happy Imperial Citizen
Antioch,CA
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Im playing as CSM and had a simple question
I choose to take a Daemon Prince with the mark of Tzeentch (allowing 2 psyker abilities) I took Doombolt and Bolt of change (both count as having a shooting profile)
here's where the issue arises, in combat i elected to fire BOTH of the psyker abilities and this starts a huge argument
They said that in the codex it says that only one psyker weapon can be fired, except for models with Mark of Tzeentch (can attempt to fire 2) with the exception of weapons that have the shooting profile as models can fire only one weapon per shooting phase
I pointed out that it was classed as a Monstrous Creature and as long as both weapons are pointed at the same enemy troop should be fine
They started squabbling about how codex trumps rule book and kept pointing to the "One weapon per shooting phase" in the psychic abilities
Who is in the right and who is wrong?
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2011/10/24 20:29:08
Subject: I need some clarification on a psyker rule
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Plaguelord Titan Princeps of Nurgle
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ironblood wrote:Im playing as CSM and had a simple question
I choose to take a Daemon Prince with the mark of Tzeentch (allowing 2 psyker abilities) I took Doombolt and Bolt of change (both count as having a shooting profile)
here's where the issue arises, in combat i elected to fire BOTH of the psyker abilities and this starts a huge argument
They said that in the codex it says that only one psyker weapon can be fired, except for models with Mark of Tzeentch (can attempt to fire 2) with the exception of weapons that have the shooting profile as models can fire only one weapon per shooting phase
I pointed out that it was classed as a Monstrous Creature and as long as both weapons are pointed at the same enemy troop should be fine
They started squabbling about how codex trumps rule book and kept pointing to the "One weapon per shooting phase" in the psychic abilities
Who is in the right and who is wrong?
As long as the Monstrous Creature has the ability to use 2 psychic powers a turn, both of those may be psychic shooting attacks.
Edit: I should point out that I don't have my Chaos Codex in hand, so if there is a specific caveat in the Codex, this might change things.
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2011/10/24 20:29:34
Subject: I need some clarification on a psyker rule
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Nasty Nob on Warbike with Klaw
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Codex does not trump rulebook, it's specific trumps non specific.
they're quite wrong.
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2011/10/24 20:34:29
Subject: I need some clarification on a psyker rule
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Happy Imperial Citizen
Antioch,CA
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Thanks for the clarification
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2011/10/24 21:45:56
Subject: I need some clarification on a psyker rule
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Heroic Senior Officer
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FAQ is your friend.........
Q. Can a Daemon prince with the Mark of Tzeentch use two different psychic powers, that both count as firing a weapon, in the same shooting phase.
A. Yes, as Monstrous Creatures can use two weapons in the shooting phase.
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2011/10/24 21:59:14
Subject: I need some clarification on a psyker rule
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Manhunter
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Yes, they are completely wrong on the BRB>Codex.
It is Specific>Non-specific.
Because that rule is specific, it trumps the BRB rule.
And if the BRB always trumps, what is the point of having special rules in Codecis if they do not matter?
Ask them that.
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2011/10/24 22:06:11
Subject: I need some clarification on a psyker rule
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Captain of the Forlorn Hope
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forruner_mercy wrote:And if the BRB always trumps, what is the point of having special rules in Codecis if they do not matter?
Ask them that.
That is not what they were saying. ironblood wrote:They started squabbling about how codex trumps rule book
they were saying codex trumps rule book, which is incorrect as has been pointed out.
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2011/10/24 22:23:31
Subject: I need some clarification on a psyker rule
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Courageous Space Marine Captain
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just as an example to anyone who disagrees with what has been said, jsu in case, take the Swarmlord.
MC with 4 psychic powers, that can use 2 per turn. All 4 of its powers are PSA.
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2011/10/24 22:30:44
Subject: I need some clarification on a psyker rule
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Annoyed Blood Angel Devastator
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Can't argue this specific point, and codex does not trump BGB, in fact if you look though the BGB you will find 1 section where it specifically says this and that is USR, other then that it has always been as noted specific trumps general. You were in the right
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2011/10/24 23:14:32
Subject: I need some clarification on a psyker rule
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Plaguelord Titan Princeps of Nurgle
Alabama
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Deadshot wrote:just as an example to anyone who disagrees with what has been said, jsu in case, take the Swarmlord.
MC with 4 psychic powers, that can use 2 per turn. All 4 of its powers are PSA.
Whereas Hive Tyrants do not. Hive Tyrants have the ability to fire 2 weapons, but they do not have the ability to use 2 powers, so cannot use 2 PSAs.
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2011/10/25 00:15:26
Subject: I need some clarification on a psyker rule
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Stealthy Dark Angels Scout with Shotgun
NE Ohio
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Ok.. so a Dreadnought Librarian with 2 PSA's can it use both? as it can fire all weapons at all times?
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2011/10/25 00:35:35
Subject: I need some clarification on a psyker rule
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Longtime Dakkanaut
Aizuwakamatsu, Fukushima, Japan
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Landrain wrote:Ok.. so a Dreadnought Librarian with 2 PSA's can it use both? as it can fire all weapons at all times?
Only if it also has permission to cast multiple psychic powers.
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2011/10/25 00:35:37
Subject: I need some clarification on a psyker rule
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Anti-Armour Swiss Guard
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Can BA libby dreads take PSAs?
Unless it comes with them, it can't be upgraded with them as they can't take ANY upgrades.
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2011/10/25 00:39:03
Subject: I need some clarification on a psyker rule
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Plaguelord Titan Princeps of Nurgle
Alabama
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chromedog wrote:Can BA libby dreads take PSAs?
Unless it comes with them, it can't be upgraded with them as they can't take ANY upgrades.
Yes, they can take PSAs (they can choose 2 powers), but they only have permission to use 1, no matter how many weapons they're permitted to fire. So, they'd be able to use their underslung storm bolter and Blood Lance, if they so chose.
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2011/10/25 14:06:03
Subject: I need some clarification on a psyker rule
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The Conquerer
Waiting for my shill money from Spiral Arm Studios
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puma713 wrote:chromedog wrote:Can BA libby dreads take PSAs?
Unless it comes with them, it can't be upgraded with them as they can't take ANY upgrades.
Yes, they can take PSAs (they can choose 2 powers), but they only have permission to use 1, no matter how many weapons they're permitted to fire. So, they'd be able to use their underslung storm bolter and Blood Lance, if they so chose.
If they were able to upgrade to Epistolary for some reason then they could use 2 PSAs. Hypothetically of course.
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2011/10/25 15:59:49
Subject: I need some clarification on a psyker rule
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Focused Dark Angels Land Raider Pilot
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I think a BA libby can use 2 PSA if it's an epistolary... Walkers can use 2 weapons even when moving... or am I wrong? (I actually faced an opponent doing this and I allowed it)
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2011/10/25 16:04:11
Subject: I need some clarification on a psyker rule
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The Hive Mind
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You mean the Furioso Librarian? He can't be made an epistolary. (not that I can recall anyway)
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2011/10/25 16:07:25
Subject: Re:I need some clarification on a psyker rule
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The Conquerer
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Its not an upgrade option, although I don't know why.
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2011/10/25 16:18:18
Subject: I need some clarification on a psyker rule
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Focused Dark Angels Land Raider Pilot
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Oh yes... of course I mean the BA Furioso dreddy...
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