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I stopped playing W40K just before 4th edition, this is my first army since then !

Dark Eldar 1500 pts
Kabal of the Strigid Eye

HQ
Archon + blaster + huskblade + soul-trap + combat drugs + phantasm grenade launcher + shadow field (185pts)
Haemonculus (A) + liquifier gun (60pts)
Haemonculus (B) + liquifier gun + agoniser (80pts)

Elite
4 Incubi (with the Archon) in a Venom + 2 splinter cannons (153pts)
4 Trueborn with blasters (x4) in a Venom + 2 splinter cannons (173pts)

Troops
9 Wyches (1 Razorflails, 1 Hekatrix + agoniser) with Haemonculus A in a Raider + flickerfield (200pts)
9 Wracks (1 liquifier gun) with Haemonculus B in a Raider + flickerfield (170pts)
10 Warriors (1 splinter cannon) (100pts)
10 Warriors (1 splinter cannon) (100pts)

Fast attack
6 Reavers (2 blasters) (162pts)

Heavy support
1 Ravager + flickerfield (115pts)

Explanation
Archon + Incubi as IC killers at first, then hunt for high save units.
Haemon A (with Wyches) gives them the pain token, stays in the Raider and shoot.
The Warriors units try to keep objectives.
Anti tanks : Ravager, Reavers, Trueborns, maybe Raiders.

Any idea/recommendation for that list?
Any help is welcome guys !

Less Reavers more Ravagers.

agreed

I would take out the reavers, put in another ravager.

Drop the two foot units of warriors for some two units of 5 with a blaster in a venom with dual splinter cannons. You'll also have to take the agoniser off the (B) for a cheaper CC weapon.

That my two cents at least.

I've been forced to use warriors on foot in a few games because I didn't have enough transport models, and I can honestly say that they are absolutely terrible. Warriors absolutely need transports, period.

I actually disagree with some of the advice above, and think some of the rest of it is brilliant - I'll just offer some quick thoughts with explanations;

1. Look at the price of the RJBs. Go ahead, I'll wait. Oh, back already? Good, now go look at the price of a Ravager. Okay, so you're paying *more* points for 2 Blasters that can move 12" and shoot 18" then you're paying for 3 Lances that can move 12" and shoot 36"? I guess we could get into a debate about survivability - but even if I was willing to say that six models with T4 and 5+ saves (aka, saves that most weapons ignore) is tougher to kill than an AV 11 open topped vehicle (and I *would* debate that) let's ask a serious question - are they +50 points -1 shot and -18" range more survivable?

2. Aggie on the Haem with Wracks makes a lot of sense, that is an assault unit and the Haem should accompany them. Possible point saving option is to use a regular power weapon as they'll have Furious Charge - debatable value though.

3. Foot DE work okay, but they don't want to leave cover. Your units appear to want to advance up the board and that makes me leery of them - I would advise making them lance packing snipers, or making them smaller squads inside transports. As stands I think you'll be underwhelmed by their performance.

4. Blaster on an Archon in an assault unit with no other shooting? Meh. You're basically tossing away that shot because either you're shooting at something you're about to assault (and 4 Incubi+Lord rarely need much of that) or you're shooting at a vehicle praying you pop it while the Incubi stand around nervously wondering why they're not in combat. I'd sack the gun, this unit will probably want to assault asap, and that means Turn 1, and that means you'll probably use fleet so you can't be mucking around with a single pew-pew gun, that's what the Archon pays the rest of the army to do, he's in it for the blow and the wenches, so let him focus on the assault.

My thoughts,
Thor.

Thanks a lot for the help guys !
Here are the changes I made :

HQ
Archon + splinter pistol + huskblade + soul-trap + combat drugs + phantasm grenade launcher + shadow field (170pts)
Haemonculus (A) + liquifier gun (60pts)
Haemonculus (B) + liquifier gun + agoniser (80pts)

Elite
4 Incubi (with the Archon) in a Venom + 2 splinter cannons (153pts)
4 Trueborn with blasters (x4) in a Venom + 2 splinter cannons (173pts)

Troops
9 Wyches (haywire grenades, 1 Razorflails, 1 Hekatrix + agoniser)
with Haemonculus A in a Raider + flickerfield (218pts)
9 Wracks (1 liquifier gun) with Haemonculus B in a Raider + flickerfield (170pts)
10 Warriors (1 dark lance) (115pts)
10 Warriors (1 dark lance) (115pts)

Fast attack
-nothing-

Heavy support
1 Ravager + flickerfield (115pts)
1 Ravager + flickerfield (115pts)

-removed archon's blaster
-kept haemon B's agoniser
-gave the wyches haywire grenades
-changed foot warriors' weapon from splinter cannon to dark lances (I don't really want to put them in transports though..)
-removed the whole reavers unit
-added a ravager

Sooo there's 16 points left!
What do you guys think I should take ?
- upgrade a incubus to klaivex?
- give an arcane one-shot weapon to a haemonculus?
- give night shields to one of my vehicles?
- give my hekatrix a blaster pistol?
- (something else?)

I would probably add in shock prows - they're conditional but can be very useful to have as an available option.

The other thought is Acothyst for the Wracks.

Thor665 wrote:
The other thought is Acothyst for the Wracks.

Pull out a wyche or two and maybe the archon's drugs (..but he needs them ) for an acothyst with an agonizer.

Thanks for the tip, I added shock prows to my Raiders!

EDIT : mmh, an acothyst with agoniser would be useful enough to remove 2 wyches ? There will only be 7 wyches left in the squad... :s

If you must keep the warriors on foot, as someone else said, make sure you find cover for them ASAP. They're more expensive than guardsmen but die just as easily.

Ancre wrote:Thanks for the tip, I added shock prows to my Raiders!

EDIT : mmh, an acothyst with agoniser would be useful enough to remove 2 wyches ? There will only be 7 wyches left in the squad... :s

Actually you could drop 1 wych and the razorflail. If you drop the prows you just got aswell you have enough points for the acothyst + agoniser. Well you have points over then to bring a single prow if you wish.

How about that?

Great idea, thank you !

So here is my (final?) list !

HQ
Archon + splinter pistol + huskblade + soul-trap + combat drugs + phantasm grenade launcher + shadow field (170pts)
Haemonculus (A) + liquifier gun (60pts)
Haemonculus (B) + liquifier gun + agoniser (80pts)

Elite
4 Incubi (with the Archon) in a Venom + 2 splinter cannons (153pts)
4 Trueborn with blasters (x4) in a Venom + 2 splinter cannons (173pts)

Troops
8 Wyches (haywire grenades, 1 Hekatrix + agoniser) with Haemonculus A in a Raider + flickerfield + shock prows (201pts)
9 Wracks (1 liquifier gun, 1 acothyst + agoniser) with Haemonculus B in a Raider + flickerfield (200pts)
10 Warriors (1 dark lance) (115pts)
10 Warriors (1 dark lance) (115pts)

Fast attack
-nothing-

Heavy support
1 Ravager + flickerfield (115pts)
1 Ravager + flickerfield (115pts)

Total : 1497pts