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Usually with weapons that cause ID, its an unsaved wound that fires off the ID. With the Swarmlords Bonesabres its a little different. The hits themselves cause ID. So what happens when he hits someone with Eternal Warrior, since they cant be ID does he just roll to wound as usual then? S vs T and if so does that target have to reroll his Inv Save.

The rule says "any successful invulnerable saves made against HITS must be rerolled"

I play nids and played it as his attacks are just like normal PW hits, that you have to reroll your save. My opponent was trying to argue his DP didnt have to reroll because it says hits, and hits inflict ID, and since he is immune to ID, he was rolling his saves vs wounds.

Help would be appreciated. I play against Daemons and CSM quite a bit. Thanks

Your friend is trying to get away with not having to reroll. HITS are HITS. being immune to ID means he doesn't die if he fails the save nothing more.

He has to re-roll simple as that. IIRC it gos to state that all successful invul saves must be re-rolled

Ok gotcha, but do the hits inflict instant wounds then, or do you roll S vs T?

Whilst 'attacks inflict Instant Death' could be seen as a little vague and open to interpretation, without it specifically saying 'automatically and without having to roll to wound' you should assume you still have to roll to wound with your S.

knightpredator wrote:Usually with weapons that cause ID, its an unsaved wound that fires off the ID. With the Swarmlords Bonesabres its a little different. The hits themselves cause ID. So what happens when he hits someone with Eternal Warrior, since they cant be ID does he just roll to wound as usual then? S vs T and if so does that target have to reroll his Inv Save.

You ALWAYS have to roll S vs T on any successful hit. being a potential ID wound has nothing to do with the to wound process.

The Swarmlord will roll to hit as normal, roll to wound as normal, and then all Invuln saves are taken and re-rolled, then all wounds that are not saved then cause ID to non models without EW. for models with EW they just take one wound for every wound that is not saved by the Invuln save process.

You ALWAYS have to roll S vs T on any successful hit. being a potential ID wound has nothing to do with the to wound process.

No you don't. Look at a gargoyle, their attacks cause a wound on a 6 to hit no matter what toughness. They do not have to roll S vs T on those hits.

More accurate would have been to say that you always roll to wound except where a special rule specifically says otherwise... but that shouldn't really have been necessary.

insaniak wrote:More accurate would have been to say that you always roll to wound except where a special rule specifically says otherwise... but that shouldn't really have been necessary.

You must be new here.

knightpredator wrote:

You ALWAYS have to roll S vs T on any successful hit. being a potential ID wound has nothing to do with the to wound process.

No you don't. Look at a gargoyle, their attacks cause a wound on a 6 to hit no matter what toughness. They do not have to roll S vs T on those hits.

Look at the context, Gargoyles were not mentioned at all.

I was detailing how the presence of ID has no bearing on the Swarmlords to hit and wound process.

Not a gargoyle's hit and wound process.

Notice how I underlined what I was referring to.

DeathReaper wrote:

knightpredator wrote:Usually with weapons that cause ID, its an unsaved wound that fires off the ID. With the Swarmlords Bonesabres its a little different. The hits themselves cause ID. So what happens when he hits someone with Eternal Warrior, since they cant be ID does he just roll to wound as usual then? S vs T and if so does that target have to reroll his Inv Save.

You ALWAYS have to roll S vs T on any successful hit. being a potential ID wound has nothing to do with the to wound process.

The Swarmlord will roll to hit as normal, roll to wound as normal, and then all Invuln saves are taken and re-rolled, then all wounds that are not saved then cause ID to non models without EW. for models with EW they just take one wound for every wound that is not saved by the Invuln save process.

This. Your friend was playing it really, really wrong.