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I was perusing my Dark Eldar codex when something jumped out at me that I hadn't really noticed before...

It's weapon entry says it's a power weapon.

It also says the bearer makes two bonus attacks in every round of combat, lalala rolled separately, fail, ect.

In the Archon's entry, he can take it in addiction to his normal allotment of weapons, giving him three ccw...If he had an agoniser or a huskblade with it, he'd have 2 sccw. So does he have to designate that he's using the djinn blade to get it's bonus attacks as per BRB rules for two sccw? Or can he roll his agoniser attacks then get two bonus power weapon strikes from the djinn blade rolled separately? Can he get a bonus attack for the pistol + another weapon with the addition of a third weapon, the djinn blade?

It's turning my brain into mush...

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Yes he has to designate he is using it in order to get those extra attacks. I was confused about this for some time myself and then after a few games and playing it wrong (with no one correcting me about it either as I believe I am the only Dark Eldar player in my area) I saw someone bring this up elsewhere and someone pointed something out in that thread and I realized how wrong I was about it.

Djinn Blade is a SCCW, one of it's effects is +2 attacks, if using Agoniser or some other SCCW that round of combat you receive no effects of any other SCCW the model may have.

 
   
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Treat the djinn blade as how servo arms work. You don't get the bonus attack for dual CCW, you don't get an extra attack for charging with it but you do strike at the models int and str.

For all purposes, don't think of it as a CCW, think of it as a special rule that acts like a weapon in CCW.

I have a friend that runs a huskblade archon with shadowfield and djinn blade, he always rolls 2 dice for the blade and uses it separately from his other attacks.

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And the plot thickens...

The part that mainly confuses me is the "A djinn blade is a power weapon. Furthermore, the bearer makes two bonus attacks for every round of combat - roll these separately."
-DE Codex

It implies that it does function like a servo arm somewhat but...It also says it's a power weapon?! Which trumps? The every round of combat part of the rule or having to use the power weapon to use its bonus?

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Power weapons have no real bearing on how many attacks a model can make. . . .

I think I am missing something.

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There is actually quite a bit of difference between the Servo-Arm and the Djinn Blade.

Servo-Arm: "Each Servo-arm grants the model a single extra close combat attack"...(explains the effects of attack)

Djinn Blade: "A djinn blade is a power weapon. Furthermore, the bearer makes two bonus attacks for every round of combat"

One is an extra attack that isn't described as a weapon while the other is a weapon that grants bonus attacks.

Edit:

kirsanth wrote:Power weapons have no real bearing on how many attacks a model can make. . . .

I think I am missing something.


If you are missing something I think it is this, your right Power Weapons don't have real bearing on number of attacks except as described in the BGB. The Djinn Blade is in it's rules described as being a power weapon that grants bonus attacks that need to be rolled separately because of the risk of rolling doubles.

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That it's a power weapon is important because that classifies it as a special close-combat weapon.

You need to be using it to get the bonus attacks. Look at the FAQ for the Animus Vitae to see something similar
   
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To get the special abilities of ANY weapon you need to be using that weapon, regardless of whether it is a special weapon or not.

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Oh okay so it's just a sub par weapon. Glad I didn't give it a second look until now. I think what confused me most is the fact that it isn't taken in replacement of the splinter pistol/ccw but instead as a third weapon and it's the only weapon under the 'Take any of the following' heading.

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Yep, as it is a power weapon you must use it in order to get its bonuses, in this case being a power weapon (ignore armour) and gaining +2 attacks

If you have another special close combat weapon, you MUST choose which one to use, and this act of choosing denies you the bonus attack for 2 CCW. So if you want to gain the most use from the blade, dont take another special CCW.
   
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so you get 2 extra attacks if you use it. but if you roll double then it is wounding yourself like a daemon weapon

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Yes, and it is if you roll double on either of the bonus attacks.

{EDIT} woops, no you roll for the 2 extra attacks separately. If you roll a double, the blade attacks you.

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