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A member of my gaming group suggests:

If you have 9 Spyders add 9 scarab bases to a unit of scarabs, the only rules governing them is that the must be within coherency and there must be space to place the model. So the base is 1.5" + 2" coherency, multiplied by 9, gives us 31.5". You now have a 31.5" string of scarabs in any direction.

So the rest of the math is simple, 31.5 + 6 + D6 + 12 = average of 53"

seems cheesy but legit. Though why you'd want to....

Untill they get blast weaponed off the table

The rules never mention coherency, and also the order in which you place the models is at the start of the turn. Thus, there is not much rules supporting your position and playing that way (with no rule support) wont make you any friends.

Expect the faq to change things, and in the meantime play the ability as restrictive as you can. You dont need turn 1 charges for 135 points of free models every turn to be useful.

Easy Devian. It's not "my" position. It's best to get these type of WAAC exploits out in the open as soon as possible to vet them for rules compliance.

DevianID wrote:The rules never mention coherency, and also the order in which you place the models is at the start of the turn. Thus, there is not much rules supporting your position and playing that way (with no rule support) wont make you any friends.

Expect the faq to change things, and in the meantime play the ability as restrictive as you can. You dont need turn 1 charges for 135 points of free models every turn to be useful.

Exactly. So no matter what you play you may be playing it 'wrong' or 'right' because the rules about placing new scarabs are not specified. You are trying to say that his way (with no rules support) won't make him any friends. It's not easy following rules when there are none given. Just check this conversation in YMDC.

Macok I am confused... So you think we should not play them at all? Fair enough I suppose, until the faq clarifies things.

As far as I'm concerned, go right ahead...

Scarab/Spyder Spam is going to run you at least 600 points (900 if you max out Scarabs and Spyders), and then there goes all your heavy weapon support. If someone tried to use this on me, I'd be very, very happy.


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Not to mention that if I assault that congo line then I'll be safe from getting shot at for a couple turns.

This is correct, you can also on the fly gain movement by replacing WBB models at the front of your unit instead of the sides/rear

Technically you can use the method in the first post to transport a spawned scarab to the other side of the board, but its just like the orc conga lone, in reality it is a stupid idea.

Completely illegal. Take it to YMDC. Ghaz an Nos have already given all of the reasons why it is illegal.

Quick summation: All scarabs are made at the "start" of the phase (remember there is only ONE start of a phase), and must be placed "with" a unit. "With" is indicative of the coherency required for joining a unit. No rules in the game allow you to intentionally place a model out of coherency with its unit, even though certain situations might force you to. This meanas that all scarabs are place simultaneously, in game terms, at the "start" of the phase, and must be in coherency with models form the unit that were already on the table,. prior to the "start" of the phase. Attempting to place them anywhere else, will result in their destruction, as per the Spider's own rule. The result of this is that you can only gain about 4 inches from making scarabs: 2 inch coherency + 2 inch base.

Attempting to make the conga line is cheating, withouth question, and no respectable TO is going to allow it. In a "freindly" game, you will only make enemies for trying to cheat, and will most likely not be invited to play anymore "friendly" games with that opponent.

I think at most you would get 12inches from 3 different spyder squads making scarabss one after the other. .

Budzerker wrote:I think at most you would get 12inches from 3 different spyder squads making scarabss one after the other. .

NO...all the spiders make them at the SAME time...at the "start" of the phase. Trying to gain 12 inches requires making scarabs at 3 DIFFERENT times, which is illegal. There is on;y one "start" of a phase...everytihg that happens at the start of a phase, happens simulateously, in game terms. Thus, no matter how many spiders you have, and how many scarabs they make, you can only gain 4 inches: 2 in coherency + 2 inch base.

Can you please reference the rule page that says "everything at the start of the phase happens simultaneously"?

Budzerker wrote:Can you please reference the rule page that says "everything at the start of the phase happens simultaneously"?

You're told to do it during the start of the phase. Doing it after something else is not following the rules.

Alerian is right. We already put enough blood and sweat into this topic in YMDC.

Its simple. you can try to do it, but if your "friend" fights it, just dont do it and wait for FAQ.