AV Values 10 or Less

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**Ovion**

I can't recall seeing any around, but do you get any Armour Values less than 10 (like 8 or 9)?
If not, and something DID have AV 8 or 9 just how bad would it be overall?

**Necroshea**

A mob of guardsmen with flashlights could quite frankly glance an AV9 vehicle to death very quickly. So I'd say very bad.

**Marzillius**

That's probably why there is no AV lower than 10.

**infinite_array**

I don't know of any such vehicles, but I'd imagine that they'd be pretty terrible.

Think about it - with over half of the game's factions having readily-available troops with str 4+ guns, and with a good amount of other heavy weapons (many twin-linked at that), they'd be near-instant kills on turn 1 or 2, or dead from getting within 24" of, well, anything really.

**Ovion**

Thought it may be something like that, was mostly curious as to if there were any existing ones as much as anything.

Though something like a swarm of like... 20+ fast skimmer 'drone' type things of AV8-9 could be interesting

**Necroshea**

Now that I think about it, I'd rate an AV 8 vehicle on par with a civilian vehicle. AV 9 would maybe be a construction vehicle or heavy truck. When you get to AV 10 you start getting vehicles that are plated specifically to stop bullets and the like.

**Clthomps**

IICC the Genestealer cult had av 9 limos. But its was in a vastly different vehicle damage system.

**nomotog**

I did a check through the little rule book, and there are no vehicles with an AV of less then 10. Most vehicles have there rear armor as 10 so I think 10 is meant to be like the minimal armor for a vehicle. That way you don't have light infantry killing vehicles. (Tau being the exception it seems.)

**Vaktathi**

Ovion wrote:I can't recall seeing any around, but do you get any Armour Values less than 10 (like 8 or 9)?
If not, and something DID have AV 8 or 9 just how bad would it be overall?

There's no game rule against it IIRC, it's just that GW hasn't put out any lower.

Now, some things would make sense having lower armor like 7/8/9 such as Trukks that aren't really armored in any way and that even s3 guns should be able to hurt fairly effectively looking at them, and something like a common civilian passenger car should be like AV 5 or 6 (something like a heavy bolter should easily inflict catastrophic damage to such vehicles and lasbolts and bullets shouldn't have too much issue causing damage), the question is more however at what point do such things become so absurdly vulnerable to the firepower available that they aren't worth it.

**runmymouth**

nomotog wrote:I did a check through the little rule book, and there are no vehicles with an AV of less then 10. Most vehicles have there rear armor as 10 so I think 10 is meant to be like the minimal armor for a vehicle. That way you don't have light infantry killing vehicles. (Tau being the exception it seems.)

Hey you forget crons can too.

**nomotog**

runmymouth wrote:
nomotog wrote:I did a check through the little rule book, and there are no vehicles with an AV of less then 10. Most vehicles have there rear armor as 10 so I think 10 is meant to be like the minimal armor for a vehicle. That way you don't have light infantry killing vehicles. (Tau being the exception it seems.)

Hey you forget crons can too.

I did forget them. I take it there weapons haven't been nerfed in the new codex.

**runmymouth**

Nope, immortals have str 5 always at least glance on a 6 and warriors have str 4 with the same.

**Witzkatz**

In the examples table for buildings and associated armor values in the rulebook you can find AV9 buildings - wooden stacks and corrugated iron huts/towers are given as an example. Log homes are AV10 and after that, you get all the regular buildings.

So, yes, GW indeed proposes an AV9 structure, it's not completely unheard of. However, a buildings that can be suppressed by lasgun fire and completely destroyed by Shuriken or Bolter fire is really nothing more than a desperate attempt not to get killed for a round longer or two.

**nomotog**

runmymouth wrote:Nope, immortals have str 5 always at least glance on a 6 and warriors have str 4 with the same.

So only immortals can actually kill a vehicle if they hit it in the rear armor. The can really mess it up in the mean time though.

**Grey Templar**

Scarabs and a few other necron things can reduce a vehicles armor to below 10, permanantly. If it gets to 0, the vehicle is auto-wrecked.

**Ovion**

On an idea

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**Grey Templar**

How on earth does a Skimmer/Walker work?

**Dark Scipio**

I always thought Ork Trucks should be AV 9 with an option to update front and/or sides to 10.

Guard should have AV 9 transporters too, even if only for scenarios.

**The Mad Tanker**

with the new entropic rules for the Necrons, we are going to see alot more of these armor values lol.

**spiralingcadaver**

IIRC, back in 3rd edition, when GW released rules for custom vehicles, ARM 8-9 were for if you wanted civilian vehicles.

**Grakmar**

spiralingcadaver wrote:IIRC, back in 3rd edition, when GW released rules for custom vehicles, ARM 8-9 were for if you wanted civilian vehicles.

Civilian vehicles had a AV of 9.

Currently, buildings categorized as "Corrugated iron or wooden shed" have an AV of 9.

**CpatTom**

Wooden sheds will save me!

**ZeroSamurai**

There are no actual vehicles in the game with an AV of less than 10.

However in the new necron codex the scarab swarms are able to reduce the AV of a vehicle below 10, and if it reaches 0 the vehicle dies, so if you're not careful the scarab swarms can even make a land raider susceptible to lasgun fire.

**LordWynne**

Lol grot tanks are AV 10, I can see civilian vehicles being AV 9-8 or less. Do bikes have a AV value?

**Ovion**

Bikes generally just add 1 toughness.

**Nungunz**

ZeroSamurai wrote:There are no actual vehicles in the game with an AV of less than 10.

However in the new necron codex the scarab swarms are able to reduce the AV of a vehicle below 10, and if it reaches 0 the vehicle dies, so if you're not careful the scarab swarms can even make a land raider susceptible to lasgun fire.

This right here is the only way to get vehicles with an AV lower than 10.