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This came up yesterday.

My Grand Master with Rad Grenades charges a unit with a +1 T, such as Bikers or Plague Marines. My question is whther the resultant effects can cancel each other out, the Bike's bonus coming in followed by the Rads, or the Rads then the Bike.


SM have T 4(5)
If they cancel each other or the Bike's bonus comes firast, then the SM Bikers would have T 4
If the Rads came first then they would have T3 (4).

While the Problem may not be apparrent, the Particular incidnet arose from my Grand Master with Rad Grenades, augmented to Str 6 by his Hammerhand and a libbies Might of Titan, charged a unit of 2 Biker Captains and an Attack Bike. If the bikers had ben affected by rads first, T 3 (4), then he would have Id them through Str alone. however, if they had been T 4, cancelling each other or Bike first ( see above), then he would need to use his FW to kioll them straight of, which he couldn't do as he had no powers left that turn.


Can anyone help?

You apply both, and it does not matter which you apply first.

Bike added first example: T4 for a space marine, add the bike they become T 4(5), subtract the rad grenade they are T 3(4)

Rad added first example: T4 for a space marine, subtract the rad grenade for T3, add Bike for T3(4)

Had the bikes been a flat +1 toughness, instead of adding (+1), they would in effect cancel each other out, but this is not the case.

Actually they would have to be more than a "flat" +1T, as that would still be a modifier...but i know what you're meaning.

Either way the marines are T3 (4)

Cheers fellas. I thought this was correct, but I let it go for that game.