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So that’s 25 dollars more than the current starter right? I couldn’t find it on the site.

In exchange for that 25 dollars you get the full rules (in hardback no less), not a “get started rule set,” 2 star players, 2 big guys, and 2 referees? That sounds like a pretty damn good to me.

What is going on with this company? They release Catacombs which was half starter/half expansion that didn’t really help new players and also made current players buy stuff they didn’t need, and at a steep price point. Then they go and release a quality starter at the price a starter set should be.

Maybe they paid attention to the backlash from Catacombs and changed the price? Maybe they thought they couldn’t charge too much because people were wary of changing the BB rules. I don’t know, either way I’m not complaining. This box (at least to me) is a pretty good deal.

I doubt that. More likely than not, it's because Blood Bowl isn't an 'on the shelf' game like WarCry is.

 Sabotage! wrote:
So that’s 25 dollars more than the current starter right? I couldn’t find it on the site.

In exchange for that 25 dollars you get the full rules (in hardback no less), not a “get started rule set,” 2 star players, 2 big guys, and 2 referees? That sounds like a pretty damn good to me.

What is going on with this company? They release Catacombs which was half starter/half expansion that didn’t really help new players and also made current players buy stuff they didn’t need, and at a steep price point. Then they go and release a quality starter at the price a starter set should be.

Maybe they paid attention to the backlash from Catacombs and changed the price? Maybe they thought they couldn’t charge too much because people were wary of changing the BB rules. I don’t know, either way I’m not complaining. This box (at least to me) is a pretty good deal.

Hopefully, This might be one of those games that they try to sell through Bookstores like Barnes and Nobles here in the states. It's a great value and has full teams with Big Guys. I could see them trying to get attention with this and draw in a new crowd.

So being familiar with Blitz Bowl, and not so much Blood Bowl proper, would it be logical to assume the new rulebook will have all the stats for previously released teams?
If it does, I'm mighty tempted...

 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
So being familiar with Blitz Bowl, and not so much Blood Bowl proper, would it be logical to assume the new rulebook will have all the stats for previously released teams?
If it does, I'm mighty tempted...

From the preorder preview:

Blood Bowl: The Official Rules are also available separately in hardback and ePub editions. As well as the updated rules and regulations for the new season, the book contains a detailed lore section with more Blood Bowl background than ever before. There are also rules for playing both league and exhibition games, rosters for all 21 current Blood Bowl teams, and details for 23 Star Players.

Thanks for posting the prices. The starter set has a very reasonable price. Providing the rulebook individually right from the start is also a good thing.

If it's in that price bracket, this is a ridiculously good valued box set - especially with the hardback rulebook containing full rosters.

I am down, down, all the way down for this relaunch!

Thanks for posting the pricing. I agree that this is far less greedy than I expected.

BloodBowl teams have a unique price point in the GW ecosystem. Almost every team is two sprues for ~$40. I wish the studio would adopt these constraints for the 40K/AoS lines. It would be nice to have some troops choices that didn't cost $50-60/box. This would obviously limit the number of dual-build kits, but the Lumineth Realmlords show that is not a hard and fast constraint. Either that, or go the Ossiarch Bonereaper route and do 20 troop boxes for $60. BloodBowl shows that you can make single-box sales economical at a $40 PP, why not line troops!

 flaherty wrote:
BloodBowl teams have a unique price point in the GW ecosystem. Almost every team is two sprues for ~$40. I wish the studio would adopt these constraints for the 40K/AoS lines. It would be nice to have some troops choices that didn't cost $50-60/box. This would obviously limit the number of dual-build kits, but the Lumineth Realmlords show that is not a hard and fast constraint. Either that, or go the Ossiarch Bonereaper route and do 20 troop boxes for $60. BloodBowl shows that you can make single-box sales economical at a $40 PP, why not line troops!

...probably because 40k and AoS don't have something like the NAF and Blood Bowl community as a whole, who were the ones who maintained the rules and helped grow the game when GW axed it. The BB fanbase did absolutely fine with rules, models, accessories for quite a long time without GW.

Price the new box too high, and the community will just go back to the Living Rulebook and third party pitches. Price the teams too high? Back to the pretty stellar third party team miniatures.

Feel like of all the games GW has/had, this one is one they have to tread carefully with the most, because the NAF and community really wouldn't be too upset at dumping GW and going back to the way things were pre 2016.

Blood Bowl has sold out in English to retailers. Seems like the same issue as it was with Indomitus, yet this time there was no info about it being so limited.

 CragHack wrote:
Blood Bowl has sold out in English to retailers. Seems like the same issue as it was with Indomitus, yet this time there was no info about it being so limited.

Uh, what?
Which blood bowl? The 2016 edition or the 2020 which hasn’t actually been released yet?
I very, very much doubt it’s an Indomitus situation because the new box is clearly a starter set, aka a perennial product, which Indomitus was repeatedly stated to not be.

 Mr_Rose wrote:

 CragHack wrote:
Blood Bowl has sold out in English to retailers. Seems like the same issue as it was with Indomitus, yet this time there was no info about it being so limited.

Uh, what?
Which blood bowl? The 2016 edition or the 2020 which hasn’t actually been released yet?
I very, very much doubt it’s an Indomitus situation because the new box is clearly a starter set, aka a perennial product, which Indomitus was repeatedly stated to not be.

Yep - all gone. I suspect the online retailers snaffled up the lion's share. Why they didn't print more than they did I don't know. But then we don't know how many they actually did print. It may have seemed like a reasonable number....

they didn't print more because they're running at capacity,

every blood bowl box is a box less of something else, many of which are also sold out or in short supply

Retailers get to order week before webstore preorders. Today we received an email stating it has been sold out. At least the english versions. They also stated that they will make more, but emprah knows when. The last 3 or so weeks have been, sadly, following the same 'first come - first served' pattern :(

 CragHack wrote:
Retailers get to order week before webstore preorders. Today we received an email stating it has been sold out. At least the english versions. They also stated that they will make more, but emprah knows when. The last 3 or so weeks have been, sadly, following the same 'first come - first served' pattern :(

And if the first served is Wayland.... good for them and their customers but a bit of a blow to your FLGS who run the tournaments.

Reset the cards, smart move, sell them all again. Rules are leaked since summer, the only "new" stuff are minis for new teams?

query: do you need to buy the cards or are they in the rule book?
thank you.

All current team stats and star players are in the book (by current, I mean ones with a model currently sold by GW/FW).
Special play cards are not.
Future teams will be in Spike! Magazine and/or the Annuals.

Is there any unboxing? I would like to see the orcs sprue, and it's weird that GW didn't upload an article :(

 bubber wrote:
query: do you need to buy the cards or are they in the rule book?
thank you.

I used to put them in my rulebook for BB2016 but after we got hundreds of them I could no longer justify spending a lot of pages on them.

As for your question, the answer will be whatever generates most money for GW. And considering the hard reset, we will be drip-fed hundreds of cards in the future for new and existing gangs. Probably a Spike reset too?

Baxx wrote:

 bubber wrote:
query: do you need to buy the cards or are they in the rule book?
thank you.

I used to put them in my rulebook for BB2016 but after we got hundreds of them I could no longer justify spending a lot of pages on them.

As for your question, the answer will be whatever generates most money for GW. And considering the hard reset, we will be drip-fed hundreds of cards in the future for new and existing gangs. Probably a Spike reset too?

Thank you. Not a fan of card-collecting to be competitive. If I was, I'd play Magic.

 bubber wrote:

Baxx wrote:

 bubber wrote:
query: do you need to buy the cards or are they in the rule book?
thank you.

I used to put them in my rulebook for BB2016 but after we got hundreds of them I could no longer justify spending a lot of pages on them.

As for your question, the answer will be whatever generates most money for GW. And considering the hard reset, we will be drip-fed hundreds of cards in the future for new and existing gangs. Probably a Spike reset too?

Thank you. Not a fan of card-collecting to be competitive. If I was, I'd play Magic.

You aren’t likely to have more than one or two available in a given game except very rarely (cup finals maybe) so it’s not like they’re a core mechanic. Also the rules seem to prefer a single common set of decks so having “better” cards isn’t a thing. And you can spend your gold on many other things which are significantly less random.

So don’t let the existence of cards put you off the game; they’re mostly just an occasionally very useful tool a canny coach can exploit but probably only if they can think more than one turn ahead but you don’t have to use them even if available (some leagues and tournaments banned them in the previous edition).

And if GW continues their standard small runs of cards, it’s not super likely they will even be available to many players any way.

 Mr_Rose wrote:

 bubber wrote:

Baxx wrote:

 bubber wrote:
query: do you need to buy the cards or are they in the rule book?
thank you.

I used to put them in my rulebook for BB2016 but after we got hundreds of them I could no longer justify spending a lot of pages on them.

As for your question, the answer will be whatever generates most money for GW. And considering the hard reset, we will be drip-fed hundreds of cards in the future for new and existing gangs. Probably a Spike reset too?

Thank you. Not a fan of card-collecting to be competitive. If I was, I'd play Magic.

You aren’t likely to have more than one or two available in a given game except very rarely (cup finals maybe) so it’s not like they’re a core mechanic. Also the rules seem to prefer a single common set of decks so having “better” cards isn’t a thing. And you can spend your gold on many other things which are significantly less random.

So don’t let the existence of cards put you off the game; they’re mostly just an occasionally very useful tool a canny coach can exploit but probably only if they can think more than one turn ahead but you don’t have to use them even if available (some leagues and tournaments banned them in the previous edition).

I've never actually played in a league that used the cards, from my experience seems to be very much something that GW tried to push last edition and just wasn't adopted by the hardcore players. Only time I've ever used them was when messing around in friendly matches. The NAF Community are very conservative and the video game didn't include them due to being pre BB16.

cool - thanks for the replies guys

Stockists can now make made to order orders for BB starter that will arrive 2021 01 08.

 CragHack wrote:
Stockists can now make made to order orders for BB starter that will arrive 2021 01 08.

I presume you are not in the UK (Lithuania flag suggests ) as my LGS (UK) does not get to put his orders in with GW till Monday after pre-order is announced.

I was hearing the other day the store rep was pushing the flgs to order a full set of four of each team because once this wave goes thru they’re not expected to restock until late ‘21 or early ‘22.

 AduroT wrote:
I was hearing the other day the store rep was pushing the flgs to order a full set of four of each team because once this wave goes thru they’re not expected to restock until late ‘21 or early ‘22.

Sounds like absolute bollox to me.