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Anyone got any necron deathstar ideas?

I thought of one:
Royal Court:

Necron Lord: 80pts
Warscythe
Phase Shifter

Necron Lord: 80pts
Warscythe
Phase Shifter

Necron Lord: 75pts
Gauntlet of Fire
Phase Shifter

Necron Lord: 85pts
Tesseract Labrinth
Res Orb

Necron Lord: 80pts
Warscythe
Phase Shifter

400pts

>_>

How is that a deathstar, in any way, shape, or form? You have 5 overcost single wound models. Sure their T5, and res on a 4+, but come on... that's just not practical.

My thoughts on a true Necron Deathstar is something along these lines...

Zandrekh
Obyron
Overlord
- Warscythe
- Mindshackle Scarabs
- Sempiternal Weave
- Phase Shifter
2x Necron Lord
- Mindshackle Scarabs
- Warscythe
10x Lychguard
- Dispersion Shields
Dedicated Nightscythe

Comes out to 1175 if my math is correct. Still cheaper than draigowing, though not as flexible... You could also throw in some Tesseract Labyrinths for giggles.

1 flaw, you cant have 2 normal lords in one unit, but other than that extremely solid, expensive unit.

Yes you can. (atleast till the FAQ)
It sais you can add a court member to a unit from a court.
since he has 2 courts he can add 2 to a unit.

Squad of Wraiths, with an optional, not essential, destroyer lord. All the deathstar you'll ever need. The only decent deathstar necrons have.

And yes they are comparable to terminators; they do lack str8 power weapons & a 2+ save; but they have multi-wound (all-to-some allocation), str 6 rending, more attacks, faster, fearless, whipcoils & ignore difficult terrain. Same invulnerable & synergies reeeeally well with the destroyer lord.

Scarabs are death to vehicles but merely tie up most infantry. Spyders - just lack of oompf of the wraiths + are slower. Lychguard are too slow on foot & in close-combat. Against infantry I2 is quite a detriment, for the points paid and against vehicles there are cheaper options (i.e warriors or/and scarabs). Praetorians as a shooting squad is a bit ridiculous with 6" range & no CC prowess. Again, the particle casters & voidblades are better (as a deathstar comparison) but even though with 12" range (yes the AP is much worse but 5th is all about cover anyway) and the entrophic voidblades (which works better with higher str models against vehicles...) Scarabs still do that better & live just as long (in most circumstances) for the points paid - well, they do it much cheaper.

Wraiths (or 3 C'tans?) or not at all.

Nl.b for referance, those 3 C'tan shards would cost between 665-795pts

How many points to spend?

Nemesor Zahndrekh
Trazyn the Infinite
Vargard Obyron
Necron Lord - Warscythe, Mindshackle Scarabs
Necron Lord - Warscythe, Mindshackle Scarabs
Necron Lord - Warscythe, Mindshackle Scarabs
Necron Lord - Warscythe, Mindshackle Scarabs
Necron Lord - Warscythe, Mindshackle Scarabs
Cryptek - Aeonstave, Chronometron, Timesplintercloak.
Cryptek - Eldritch Lance, Solar Pulse, Gaze of Flame

Hijacks opentopped Ghost ark for 20" charge range.

955 + 115 Ark

- Is scoring
- Takes over up to 6 of your models in CC
- Emphatic obliterator against swarms
- Every model gets up on a 4+
- Two 3+ invulnerables with one reroll every phase
- Two 2+ Armour save 3W models
- Defensive grenades
- Can teleport out of combat if you ever wanted to
- Takes away your opponent's special rules
- Can gain special rules. Furious Charge for Str8 on the charge mainly, but options for counter attack and stealth as well. Or I2 hit and run (with a possible reroll, lol)

But if you're on a budget,


Necron Lord - Warscythe, Mindshackle Scarabs, Orb
Necron Lord - Warscythe, Mindshackle Scarabs
Necron Lord - Warscythe, Mindshackle Scarabs
Necron Lord - Warscythe, Mindshackle Scarabs
Necron Lord - Warscythe, Mindshackle Scarabs
Cryptek, Chronometron, Timesplinter Cloak

Ghost Ark

390 + 115

It's the Necron Version of Termies with an Assault Ramp. Requires an Overload HQ.

How hard is it to shoot down a open-topped predator, then a 10man marine squad? Can a 1000pt army do this in 2 turns. I think that's quite likely. Poor choice Halfpast.

Razerous wrote:How hard is it to shoot down a open-topped predator, then a 10man marine squad? Can a 1000pt army do this in 2 turns. I think that's quite likely. Poor choice Halfpast.

1) Deploy at edge of deployment zone, pivot and move out 12". Some shooting. Nightfight for opponent's next shooting phase. Turn two, assault within 20"
2) I'm not even going to go there with your 10 man Marine squad comment because it's that far off base.

Realistically though I would never field the first, but I'd probably field

Necron Lord - Warscythe, Mindshackle Scarabs, Orb
Necron Lord - Warscythe, Mindshackle Scarabs
Necron Lord - Warscythe, Mindshackle Scarabs
Necron Lord - Warscythe, Mindshackle Scarabs
Necron Lord - Warscythe, Mindshackle Scarabs
Cryptek, Chronometron, Timesplinter Cloak

Ghost Ark

in games because MS are crazysauce.

Okay - sorry halfpast, I was mistaken. I thought mindshackles worked via a standard D6 characteristics test but instead it is a morale test on 3D6. Its not cheap but it makes the squad a lot more potent as they will trigger much more often.

Still, point still stands with shooting. A 3+ t5 squad, for the points spent (400pt+), is not hard to shoot down. I mean, most weaponry that kills immortals well will also mow down your 66pt/model squad just as easily. It's nearly awesome & it may be better off with lords hidden in 5-10 sized necron units (to go after units like mephisto or assault terminators) but it misses too many of the boxes when it comes to being a useful unit. Mobility, resiliency, fearless/stubborn, high I, attacks. Ok attacks are good.

But otherwise? All I'm saying is that, for a fun unit that could occasionally do awesome things - excellent. For a competent deathstar (or even competent counter or dedicated assault unit), look elsewhere. IMhO

If my life was on the line, I'd take 10 Wraiths as well

Back to the Lords though, even if you knock down the entire unit, at the end of that shooting phase ~3 models are going to stand back up. Some games you might only loose one or two models even if the whole squad wiped out. Fun fun.

And if I'm reading Mindshackle right, yes they'll destroy low model elite units like Mephiston, as well as chew through any armor.

I think you answered it the first time, the only true competitive combat unit in the Codex is Wraiths. But that would make for a boring thread!

Razerous wrote:Squad of Wraiths, with an optional, not essential, destroyer lord. All the deathstar you'll ever need. The only decent deathstar necrons have.

And yes they are comparable to terminators; they do lack str8 power weapons & a 2+ save; but they have multi-wound (all-to-some allocation), str 6 rending, more attacks, faster, fearless, whipcoils & ignore difficult terrain. Same invulnerable & synergies reeeeally well with the destroyer lord.

I agree with most of this.
And then there's also Preferred Enemy.

The answer is "none". Necrons don't have the ability to make a worthwhile Deathstar. As a non-close combat army, Crons pay a premium to have even remotely decent assault units. Taking these en masse or taken to the extreme is a bad idea.

So I decided to try designing a couple of 'fun lists' around the court just to see what I could come up with here.

This one you farm scarabs under the cover of darkness while lightning bombards the enemy. Then unleash the swarm backed up by the spyders and court.

Necron Lord - Warscythe, Mindshackle Scarabs, Orb
Necron Lord - Warscythe, Mindshackle Scarabs
Necron Lord - Warscythe, Mindshackle Scarabs
Necron Lord - Warscythe, Mindshackle Scarabs
Necron Lord - Warscythe, Mindshackle Scarabs
Cryptek, Chronometron, Timesplinter Cloak

5 Warriors - Ghost Ark.

5 Immortals, Tesla
5 Immortals, Tesla
5 Immortals, Tesla

10 Scarabs
10 Scarabs
10 Scarabs

3 Spyders, Claw, Prism
3 Spyders, Claw, Prism
3 Spyders, Claw, Prism

2000


And a Scythe army.

Imotekh
Necron Lord - Warscythe, Mindshackle Scarabs, Orb
Necron Lord - Warscythe, Mindshackle Scarabs
Necron Lord - Warscythe, Mindshackle Scarabs
Necron Lord - Warscythe, Mindshackle Scarabs
Necron Lord - Hyperphase Sword, Mindshackle Scarabs
Cryptek, Chronometron, Timesplinter Cloak
Cryptek, Veil of Darkness.

5 Warriors - Ghost Ark.

5 Immortals, Tesla, Nightscythe
5 Immortals, Tesla, Nightscythe
5 Immortals, Tesla, Nightscythe

Doom Scythe
Doom Scythe

1750

Necron Overlord 120
Staff of Light
Resurrection Orb

Royal Court

5x Necron Lords 175
Staves of Light

5x Necron Crypteks 125
Staves of Light


Hide them behind another foot-sloogin' unit.

Allow your enemy to dine on 33x 12" S5 AP3 shots before being mauled in assault?

Halfpast_Yellow wrote:So I decided to try designing a couple of 'fun lists' around the court just to see what I could come up with here.

This one you farm scarabs under the cover of darkness while lightning bombards the enemy. Then unleash the swarm backed up by the spyders and court.

Necron Lord - Warscythe, Mindshackle Scarabs, Orb
Necron Lord - Warscythe, Mindshackle Scarabs
Necron Lord - Warscythe, Mindshackle Scarabs
Necron Lord - Warscythe, Mindshackle Scarabs
Necron Lord - Warscythe, Mindshackle Scarabs
Cryptek, Chronometron, Timesplinter Cloak

5 Warriors - Ghost Ark.

5 Immortals, Tesla
5 Immortals, Tesla
5 Immortals, Tesla

10 Scarabs
10 Scarabs
10 Scarabs

3 Spyders, Claw, Prism
3 Spyders, Claw, Prism
3 Spyders, Claw, Prism

2000


And a Scythe army.

Imotekh
Necron Lord - Warscythe, Mindshackle Scarabs, Orb
Necron Lord - Warscythe, Mindshackle Scarabs
Necron Lord - Warscythe, Mindshackle Scarabs
Necron Lord - Warscythe, Mindshackle Scarabs
Necron Lord - Hyperphase Sword, Mindshackle Scarabs
Cryptek, Chronometron, Timesplinter Cloak
Cryptek, Veil of Darkness.

5 Warriors - Ghost Ark.

5 Immortals, Tesla, Nightscythe
5 Immortals, Tesla, Nightscythe
5 Immortals, Tesla, Nightscythe

Doom Scythe
Doom Scythe

1750

I personally really like the annihlation barge myself. For 90 points I think it's the strongest priced heavy vehicle in the dex'.

For everyone that has been putting crypteks with royal court lords that isn't possible. It says the court consists of 0-5 lords or 0-5 crypteks. You can only attach them to a unit of warriors, immortals, lychgaurd or deathmarks. Otherwise they all stay attached to the unit they started in which is their royals court of 0-5. You can attach I.C. to the court if you don't seperate them but their isn't a way to get a whole cohesive unit of crypteks and lords together. Ignoring the argument of course that you can split a single cryptek and lord from two different royal courts to attach to a unit of immortals or warriors, etc. Which will need to be faq'd

JGrand wrote:The answer is "none". Necrons don't have the ability to make a worthwhile Deathstar. As a non-close combat army, Crons pay a premium to have even remotely decent assault units. Taking these en masse or taken to the extreme is a bad idea.

I completely disagree. A full court of MSS, TL and WS Lords along with about one of each Cryptek is going to give any Death Star in the game fits. Please list a Death Star that could handle:

5 of there units striking themselves after failed leadership,
5 Wound checks for death.
10 Str 7 PW attacks,
Defensive grenades,
D6 Str8 AP5 attacks on the charge,
Plus whatever CC your teks have.
Plus Overlord.

There is some pretty nasty potential there.

Why not have Praetorians run around with Wraiths? Not one single Deathstar unit, granted, but it's gonna get annoying if you do some fancy unit placement.

ShadarLogoth wrote:

JGrand wrote:The answer is "none". Necrons don't have the ability to make a worthwhile Deathstar. As a non-close combat army, Crons pay a premium to have even remotely decent assault units. Taking these en masse or taken to the extreme is a bad idea.

I completely disagree. A full court of MSS, TL and WS Lords along with about one of each Cryptek is going to give any Death Star in the game fits. Please list a Death Star that could handle:

5 of there units striking themselves after failed leadership,
5 Wound checks for death.
10 Str 7 PW attacks,
Defensive grenades,
D6 Str8 AP5 attacks on the charge,
Plus whatever CC your teks have.
Plus Overlord.

There is some pretty nasty potential there.

Someone just needs to actually play a really nasty Lord unit with all the trimmings (Scarabs, Rez Orb, Teks, 2+/3++), some of the trimmings (2+ only, etc) , and bare bones (Warscythe, Scarabs only). While folks are singing the praises of Wraiths -- and I agree, they are a great unit -- the viability of a well-played Lord unit in an Ark has some potential for dealing with the nastiest CC threats in the game.

I am talking about stuff like Draigowing and the really nasty CC monsters out there like Vect in a squad of Wyches or Brides, Mephiston and Abaddon. It would be worth seeing what this potential unit can do to a unit of 5 Paladins or 10 Paladins. This unit is not meant to take on Genestealers or a huge squad of boyz, or any of the substantial horde threats of mass amounts of CC mobs ('nids and Orcs).

The challenge behind them is deployment and keeping them protected enough to do their job. I agree that if you expose this squad, they are going to get shot apart and then you are relying on RP to bring you back (Everliving is a bonus though). So you may need to pull some deployment jank with Monoliths, Arks for cover, and really being choosy about what you deploy this squad against and when you do.

This type of crack Lord unit is not for everyone and it's not for every game. Certainly some armies are going to give this unit a rough time -- Dark Eldar for instance leap to mind. The safe bet for the average player is going to be Wraiths or even Flayed Ones, for sure. I still say it'd be worth simcrafting this unit out, or even better yet, simply dropping 5-7 models on a table and just ccing a really tough Deathstar.

As an addendum, I still think some people are selling Flayed Ones short for what they do (yes the models are bad!). My first choice in dealing with any serious threat as a Necron general is to shoot the hell out of a unit. However, if I absolutely want to get into CC I'd like taking my chances of assuaulting an enemy Deathstar with 20 Flayed Ones and throw 80 attacks at them on a charge. I am planning on running Nemesor, so I'd toss them Furious charge. That's 80 Str 5 attacks - with even average rolling, that's a ton of potential wounds to save. I stand to lose less, and possibly deciminate their 400+ point squad with a unit that cost me much less. Also these guys can do amazing things infiltrating and going at Long Fang squads, Lootas, and ranged threats sitting in cover.

The reality is, we are kind of going about this argument wrong. The best counter for a Deathstar is finding the cheapest unit you can find to either tarpit it, or exchange points in a way that is advantageous for you, but costly for your enemy. Hence why I really like the Flayed Ones idea. I'd take trading 13 point models for 40+ point models all day long, if you can manage to pull it off.

As an addendum, I still think some people are selling Flayed Ones short for what they do (yes the models are bad!). My first choice in dealing with any serious threat as a Necron general is to shoot the hell out of a unit. However, if I absolutely want to get into CC I'd like taking my chances of assuaulting an enemy Deathstar with 20 Flayed Ones and throw 80 attacks at them on a charge. I am planning on running Nemesor, so I'd toss them Furious charge. That's 80 Str 5 attacks - with even average rolling, that's a ton of potential wounds to save. I stand to lose less, and possibly deciminate their 400+ point squad with a unit that cost me much less. Also these guys can do amazing things infiltrating and going at Long Fang squads, Lootas, and ranged threats sitting in cover.

The reality is, we are kind of going about this argument wrong. The best counter for a Deathstar is finding the cheapest unit you can find to either tarpit it, or exchange points in a way that is advantageous for you, but costly for your enemy. Hence why I really like the Flayed Ones idea. I'd take trading 13 point models for 40+ point models all day long, if you can manage to pull it off.

Excellent point, and I could not agree more. I tend compare units like Lychguard to Terminators just to make a point for pound for pound comparison, but i wonder if anyone actually send their rocks against other rocks. Ideally I tend to send my rocks towards scissors.

Same thing with the FO's. They're a tarpit. And Tarpits eat rocks. (Tarpit=Paper for this analogy for those of you not so quick on the uptake ).

ShadarLogoth wrote:

As an addendum, I still think some people are selling Flayed Ones short for what they do (yes the models are bad!). My first choice in dealing with any serious threat as a Necron general is to shoot the hell out of a unit. However, if I absolutely want to get into CC I'd like taking my chances of assuaulting an enemy Deathstar with 20 Flayed Ones and throw 80 attacks at them on a charge. I am planning on running Nemesor, so I'd toss them Furious charge. That's 80 Str 5 attacks - with even average rolling, that's a ton of potential wounds to save. I stand to lose less, and possibly deciminate their 400+ point squad with a unit that cost me much less. Also these guys can do amazing things infiltrating and going at Long Fang squads, Lootas, and ranged threats sitting in cover.

The reality is, we are kind of going about this argument wrong. The best counter for a Deathstar is finding the cheapest unit you can find to either tarpit it, or exchange points in a way that is advantageous for you, but costly for your enemy. Hence why I really like the Flayed Ones idea. I'd take trading 13 point models for 40+ point models all day long, if you can manage to pull it off.

Excellent point, and I could not agree more. I tend compare units like Lychguard to Terminators just to make a point for pound for pound comparison, but i wonder if anyone actually send their rocks against other rocks. Ideally I tend to send my rocks towards scissors.

Same thing with the FO's. They're a tarpit. And Tarpits eat rocks. (Tarpit=Paper for this analogy for those of you not so quick on the uptake ).

And ironically (I don't know if this was intended), but the scissors (Flayed Ones) are good against paper (Tarpits). Who would've thought Warhammer would be so 'deep'?

Further on the topic of FO's, Imotekh's ability is really potentially nasty and keeps getting overlooked or ignored by most.

DSing a unit of 15 to 20 FO's right on a shooty armies lap is just nasty, and with pinpoint Deep Striking you could set them up 1" away from a unit and behind them (opponents table edge side). Now your using the unit whose fecal matter your about to push in as cover. Fun times.

ShadarLogoth wrote:Further on the topic of FO's, Imotekh's ability is really potentially nasty and keeps getting overlooked or ignored by most.

DSing a unit of 15 to 20 FO's right on a shooty armies lap is just nasty, and with pinpoint Deep Striking you could set them up 1" away from a unit and behind them (opponents table edge side). Now your using the unit whose fecal matter your about to push in as cover. Fun times.

Even without Imo's ability, FO's can also get pretty nasty with a Harbinger of Despair toting around Veil, that nasty Str 8 AP 1 flamer template that wounds on 3+/4+, and Nightmare Shroud. I daresay that the Despair Cryptek is a great fit for a unit that wants to get up close and get at those nasty, annoying units that don't want you up close -- Flayed Ones excel at this role if people can get over the model hate!

drakkenj wrote:

ShadarLogoth wrote:Further on the topic of FO's, Imotekh's ability is really potentially nasty and keeps getting overlooked or ignored by most.

DSing a unit of 15 to 20 FO's right on a shooty armies lap is just nasty, and with pinpoint Deep Striking you could set them up 1" away from a unit and behind them (opponents table edge side). Now your using the unit whose fecal matter your about to push in as cover. Fun times.

Even without Imo's ability, FO's can also get pretty nasty with a Harbinger of Despair toting around Veil, that nasty Str 8 AP 1 flamer template that wounds on 3+/4+, and Nightmare Shroud. I daresay that the Despair Cryptek is a great fit for a unit that wants to get up close and get at those nasty, annoying units that don't want you up close -- Flayed Ones excel at this role if people can get over the model hate!

Secsie idea but Teks can't attach to FO's unfortunately (except Illuminor or the other named one)

ShadarLogoth wrote:

drakkenj wrote:

ShadarLogoth wrote:Further on the topic of FO's, Imotekh's ability is really potentially nasty and keeps getting overlooked or ignored by most.

DSing a unit of 15 to 20 FO's right on a shooty armies lap is just nasty, and with pinpoint Deep Striking you could set them up 1" away from a unit and behind them (opponents table edge side). Now your using the unit whose fecal matter your about to push in as cover. Fun times.

Even without Imo's ability, FO's can also get pretty nasty with a Harbinger of Despair toting around Veil, that nasty Str 8 AP 1 flamer template that wounds on 3+/4+, and Nightmare Shroud. I daresay that the Despair Cryptek is a great fit for a unit that wants to get up close and get at those nasty, annoying units that don't want you up close -- Flayed Ones excel at this role if people can get over the model hate!

Secsie idea but Teks can't attach to FO's unfortunately (except Illuminor or the other named one)

Doh I forgot about that. I think you can still DS this guy in, though questionable how much success he's going to have all by his lonesome. I saw someone throw that idea around as kind of a suicide unit. Just Veil in a Despair Cryptek, have him drop his flamer template. If he gets shot, well he has Everliving and he stands back up (maybe). If he dies you lose the gamble. If he stands back up, its another shot of that flamer.

Might be cool to use this tactic along with a FO deepstrike. Then your opponent has to decide -- do I shoot the Cryptek or do I shoot the FOs?

Not to derail the FO discussion, but I was thinking, just based on the models I have, that combining a VoD cryptek with a lightning field cryptek in a shield lychguard or possibly blaster immortal unit could be the start of something nasty. Throw in my Imotekh, and now I have a pretty tough unit with a bunch of invuln saves, reflective shields, some wicked close range firepower (Imotekh's staff and gauntlet, both cryptek staves), the ability to close to kill range quickly (VoD), and a pretty nasty charge deterrent with the lighting field. Figures to land right around 545 points.

Gotta take a second overlord to get both crypteks in the same squad, of course. I really like the idea of enemies taking S8 hits when they want to charge me, and then putting that unit as close as possible to force them to deal with it while the rest of my army does it's thing.

Lots of fun ideas in this codex. Maybe I'll playtest I this weekend.

5x lords w/warscythe and mindshackle scarabs (give one lord a res orb)
3x Harbinger of destruction
1x harbinger of transmog - Seismic Crucible
1x Harbinger of the storm - Lightning Field
Attach your choice of HQ.

Screen the crypteks with the mindshackle lords, and this also also makes it so you probably don't get assaulted if you don't want to or if you do get assaulted you hopefully do some damage before they get to you (or before they even get to attack since they'll probably be hitting themselves).

Fatecrusher deathstar would roll any of these Necron deathstar builds.

Kairos Fateweaver
8x Bloodcrushers - Fury of Khorne, Chaos Icon, Instrument of Chaos
8x Bloodcrushers - Fury of Khorne, Chaos Icon, Instrument of Chaos
8x Bloodcrushers - Fury of Khorne, Chaos Icon, Instrument of Chaos


It would probably would not even be necessary to bring in the 3rd Bloodcrusher squad. My money says the following would wipe any Necron deathstar build.

Kairos Fateweaver
8x Bloodcrushers - Fury of Khorne, Chaos Icon, Instrument of Chaos
8x Bloodcrushers - Fury of Khorne, Chaos Icon, Instrument of Chaos

skywise07 wrote:Fatecrusher deathstar would roll any of these Necron deathstar builds.

Kairos Fateweaver
8x Bloodcrushers - Fury of Khorne, Chaos Icon, Instrument of Chaos
8x Bloodcrushers - Fury of Khorne, Chaos Icon, Instrument of Chaos
8x Bloodcrushers - Fury of Khorne, Chaos Icon, Instrument of Chaos


It would probably would not even be necessary to bring in the 3rd Bloodcrusher squad. My money says the following would wipe any Necron deathstar build.

Kairos Fateweaver
8x Bloodcrushers - Fury of Khorne, Chaos Icon, Instrument of Chaos
8x Bloodcrushers - Fury of Khorne, Chaos Icon, Instrument of Chaos

Go go using three-quarters of your army! (At least in 2,000) I'm not that familiar with Daemons, as no one around here really plays them, but wouldn't this leave the rest of your army kind of... down the crapper? I would be curious to actually see how these would do to be honest, though.

Amanax wrote:

skywise07 wrote:Fatecrusher deathstar would roll any of these Necron deathstar builds.

Kairos Fateweaver
8x Bloodcrushers - Fury of Khorne, Chaos Icon, Instrument of Chaos
8x Bloodcrushers - Fury of Khorne, Chaos Icon, Instrument of Chaos
8x Bloodcrushers - Fury of Khorne, Chaos Icon, Instrument of Chaos


It would probably would not even be necessary to bring in the 3rd Bloodcrusher squad. My money says the following would wipe any Necron deathstar build.

Kairos Fateweaver
8x Bloodcrushers - Fury of Khorne, Chaos Icon, Instrument of Chaos
8x Bloodcrushers - Fury of Khorne, Chaos Icon, Instrument of Chaos

Go go using three-quarters of your army! (At least in 2,000) I'm not that familiar with Daemons, as no one around here really plays them, but wouldn't this leave the rest of your army kind of... down the crapper? I would be curious to actually see how these would do to be honest, though.

Not all all. The full 2000 point army is as follows:

Fateweaver 333
Bloodthirster – Blessing of the Blood God, Unholy Might, Instrument of Chaos 280
8x Bloodcrushers - Fury of Khorne, Chaos Icon, Instrument of Chaos 360
8x Bloodcrushers - Fury of Khorne, Chaos Icon, Instrument of Chaos 360
8x Bloodcrushers - Fury of Khorne, Chaos Icon, Instrument of Chaos 360
5x Plaguebearers of Nurgle - Instrument of Chaos 80
5x Plaguebearers of Nurgle 75
5x Plaguebearers of Nurgle 75
5x Plaguebearers of Nurgle 75

Total = 1998 points

My last 2 games were against Grey Knights. I completely tabled both players. One of the players was using a Draigo + 10 Paladin + Librarian death star build.

People don't play Daemons because they don't understand them. There is a lot of missinformation out on the Internet.
I normally table everyone I play with my Daemon army. Admittedly, the Daemon codex is really limited to this one build for uber competitiveness, but it is
truly a super power build.

skywise07 wrote:Not all.

Not quite, but 3/4's was pretty damn close!

That's not a deathstar in the conventional sense however; that's an amalgamation of lots of very nasty units. I don't doubt that would defeat a Necron Deathstar, but you're looking at 4 different units, from a close-combat based army which totals ~1400pts.

A typical deathstar consists of a single unit (and an attached HQ choice), but you've pointed out the Necrons would get defeated by 4 units from a more close-combat orientated Codex that cost significantly more points; of course the Necrons would loose.

That's akin to saying that 3 units of 5 Thunderwolves would defeat a Necron Deathstar IMHO, or that 3 units of 2 Broadsides are better for anti-tank than a unit of 3 destroyers.