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Squishy Squig




Peru

Firing an ordnance weapon from a transport vehicle:
"Firing an ordnance weapon requires the attention of all the gunners of the vehicle, so no other weapons may be fired that turn..." page 58.
To my understanding here the rulebook refers to the other guns that the vehicle might have, like a batlewagon with a killkannon (ordnance) and 4 pintle big shootas, then the big shootas wont fire.

Open-Topped Transport Vehicles:
"Open-topped transport vehicles do not have specific fire points, all passengers in an open-topped vehicle may fire, measuring range and LOS from the hull of the vehicle..." page 70.
Which makes me believe that even when firing an ordnance weapon, if the vehicle is open-topped, the passengers can still fire their weapons normally since they are not gunners or crew and are not operating any of the vehicles pintle mounted weapons, the restriction is only for the other weapons THAT ARE PART OF the vehicle.

comments?

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Yes, as ever passengers /= the vehicle.
   
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Peru

BUT!!!

Does the vehicle and passengers have to shot at the same target? because it doesnt say anywhere that the vehicle is considered part of the unit, a dedicated transport might be, but a vehicle that has its own army solt? mmmm...

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Check out the BGB FAQ (I don't have the link).

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Orkboy wrote:BUT!!!

Does the vehicle and passengers have to shot at the same target? because it doesnt say anywhere that the vehicle is considered part of the unit, a dedicated transport might be, but a vehicle that has its own army solt? mmmm...


They are absolutely not the same unit.

If they were then the infantry couldn't embark as the whole unit has to embark....
   
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BRB faq wrote:Q: Must passengers fire at the same target that their
vehicle is firing at? (p66)
A: No, they are a separate unit (albeit they are
temporarily co-existing with the vehicle) and so can fire
at a different target.


Q: Can an embarked unit ever be the target of enemy
shooting? (p67)
A: No. Only the transport vehicle can be hit.


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Also, just to clarify for you, being Open-Topped has nothing to do with how passengers fire from a tank that is using an Ordinance weapon.

If you buy the 'Ard Case upgrade for your Looted Wagon or Battlewagon and take away Open-Topped, you can still fire an Ordinance Weapon such as the Boom Gun or the Kill Kannon and the occupants can still fire, and they can still fire at a different target than the tank. You simply become limited to firing from fire-points at that point, so only a few Orks could fire.
   
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So, is the Ork Kannon considered an Ordinance Weapon, or just when it is shooting it's S4 blast, or not at all? I was asking because I have thought about putting one on my Battlewagon with a Big Shoota just to be able to shoot two weapons after moving 7 inches.

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The Kannon is not an Ordnance weapon.

 
   
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The OP is referring to the Killkannon, which is a battlewagon specific upgrade. The kannon is not ordnance.

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Scott-S6 wrote:They are absolutely not the same unit.

If they were then the infantry couldn't embark as the whole unit has to embark....


And even if the infantry embarked the vehicle could only move 6" since that's the speed of the slowest model... kind of would make transports pointless.
   
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Well, a vehicle is still more durable than the infantry it is carrying.

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Not if they're a single unit - you'd (presumably, since it's impossible) use the majority - in this case, the infantry's toughness.
   
 
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