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We are about to have a 40,000 point vs 40,000 point Apoc battle here in about a month. A buddy and I are playing Necrons. We have about 50 scarab bases right now.

Rumor has it that the opposing side is likely going to have 2 Reaver Titans and possibly an Eldar Titan.

The question to folks at large is: Do Titans function like standard vehicles when assaulted by Scarabs?

The caveat to this whole statement is: The scarabs have to get TO the Titan. Yes, this is a challenge and well anyone who knows anything about Scarabs won't let that happen.

However, if they did, and the Titan didn't move. Does that mean 10x Scarab bases can easily wipe out a Titan with a little very average dice rolling?

Do Titans have armor? If yes, scarabs work on them. If it looks like a vehicle, moves like a vehicle, wears armor like a vehicle, it's probably affected like a vehicle. Use em. Bring spyders too to hope for your opponent not setting up ideally so you can potentially get a first turn charge against him and wipe a Titan in one go

You're gonna have to get a TO to rule this one, unless it gets FAQed (which is unlikely).

The issue at hand is how structure points work into this. I would present your plan to whoever is in charge, and clarify.

Raw, yes it would Work.

But in the spirit of the game i suggest the follwing:
For every structure point a super heavy vehicle has ( using starting value) you need that much entropic strike hits to reduce it's armor by one.

For example: a titan with three structure points you need three entropic hits to reduce it's armor by one.

I think with tuis house ruls you would balance things out.

- mannfred

No, the way it is written a vehicles that has any armor facing reduced to 0 counts as wrecked. using the rules as they are written means 10 scarabs could wreck a titan in one go.

However if you want to use house rules (which your game organiser might be using for such cases) then ask an clarify, but as the rules are written in paper it is legal as structure points wont help you if youre a wreck.

Deadlytoaster wrote:No, the way it is written a vehicles that has any armor facing reduced to 0 counts as wrecked. using the rules as they are written means 10 scarabs could wreck a titan in one go.

Ultimately, this is correct.

However, as others have said, I'd consult the organiser or your opponents.
Furthermore, this is apocalypse, so your focus shouldn't be on winning so much and more having fun; and therefore you shouldn't aim to exploit what is potentially a 'dirty tactic' IMHO.

I don't see the balance issues here - a super heavy can sneeze at a unit of Scarabs with one s D template or blast and thanks to instant death, auto wound, no cover, and vulnerability to blasts/templates the entire unit will disappear. not to mention they can engage another unit with other weapons, usually have huge range, and a 12"move, I do not think Scarabs have much of a chance vs super heavys and titans. Let entropic strike work as written.

Mannfred wrote:But in the spirit of the game i suggest the follwing:
For every structure point a super heavy vehicle has ( using starting value) you need that much entropic strike hits to reduce it's armor by one.

For example: a titan with three structure points you need three entropic hits to reduce it's armor by one.

- mannfred

As a house rule, his would work for me - the armour is slowly whittled away, just more slowly than on a normal vehicle. Although I'd change the beginning wording to "For every structure point a super heavy vehicle has _left_..."

Until we get an official Apocalypse/Necron FAQ, house rules is all we have. In this particular case, might be nice to contact the organisers first to ask for a ruling.

I don't see the problem. Other fast CC experts, like nob bikers or jump infantry with hammers wreck any super-heavy in one round of combat, too. Even Melta-vets can do that.

Played a 2k game against a mate where he included a warhound titan with his plague marine army (I know that's not usual, it was a battle mission and a bit of a laugh, I lost badly and had fun) He actually deployed cleverly and I think this is how titans should be used: screened by tough infantry and smaller vehicles.

In this game my opponent knew I had no deepstrikers/outflankers so it was easy for him to plan, but you could easily spread your units out right up to your titan's feet to protect against deepstrike. In this way, you just can't get close to the titan without being tied up. I appreciate that in a full-size apoc game it would be feasible to blast the screen apart and move through to assault. But equally (a couple guys already said this) anyone who lets scarabs go unshot and run up to his titan, in a game size traditionally filled with ridiculous blast weapons, is not very experienced!