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So just like the old codex with the power matrix. Does this "eternity gate" being unable to be destroyed from the monolith yet still possessing a shooting attack make it unable to be glanced to death?

just a small question i figured I would ask. I would assume it's pretty much the same.

Actually, no, it's not the same. In the old book, the 'weapon destroyed' result specifically said it only reduces the flux arcs number of shots, and that it 'couldn't' be destroyed. now, however, the monolith has a set of weapons, all of which are applicable to be destroyed, and when they're all gone it can indeed be wrecked.

However on page 61 of the BRB it simply says when a vehicle that suffers either damage result when it has NO WEAPONS LEFT and is already immobilized treats the result as 'wrecked' but doesn't it still posses a weapon or it would be just a special rule and no need to add "it is unable to be destroyed from the monlith" if that were the case? if the BRB said "possessed no weapons that can be destroyed and is immobilized" then I would agree.

While the Eternity Gate can be use to make an attack of sorts it is not a proper weapon, so if all the Flux Arcs and Particle Whip are destroyed and it is Immobilized, it's a Wreck.

When does a weapon become a "proper" one? the gate is listed in the wargear just like the other weapons. and even in the rulebook under weapon destroyed they still count wargear upgrades such as hunter killer missiles as viable for 'weapon destroyed' just in this case it can't be.

Yes the Eternity Gate is listed as part of it's wargear, but it is the abilty Portal of exile that is the attack. As for when a weapon becomes "proper" is when it gets listed on your Summary chart as such.

its listed on the "weapons" summary chart

Gamza I apologize, I just read my codex. You are right, it is a weapon that cannot be destroyed. Until a FAQ i'd say that means that as of right now, a monolith can not be glanced to death by anything other than AP1 weapons.

I'll be damned, so it is. I guess you are right then, until a FAQ is released I guess a monolith cannot be glanced to death.

Nowhere near as annoying as it used to be with the loss of the good living metal.

Yeah a fully glanced monolith, while still not a KP, is an immobile husk that can't hurt anything unless it's within d6" of the front gate, or otherwise just teleport units from elsewhere on the table.

Perfect for contesting. place the portal right up against the objective if anyone tried to capture it within 3 you should be able to suck them in. and still port troops to it since there is no teleport range now

Meh with the loss of old living metal, I find them garbage. Melta is the main issue, there's a ton of it everywhere. except in my ork codex... I think there's 1 lol

I have 3 of them in my list haha. I love them more than any vehicle in this new codex. 200 points for the highest armor value in the game? heck yeah! melta doesn't concern me

anywho this is moving off topic I think we cleared it up ty everyone =)

I for one think that this news is DELICIOUS. Even though I don't play Necrons.

Even if GW doesn't FAQ this, it's just as well. This argument is air tight.

No, it says it can't be destroyed outside of destroying the entire monolith. This doesn't mean you can't glance the monolith to death because the portal of exile is NOT a weapon. It is a piece of equipment with dual modes and one of those modes happens to operate "as a shooting attack" but it still not a weapon. Because of this, you only need to get 5 weapon destroyed, 1 immobilized and then one more of either of those to glance it to death. Still not an easy feat.

My questions is this. Sure the monolith cannot be destroyed by glances. But if you have destroyed all the other weapons, will a weapon destroyed result become immobilised, or gets ignored since the gate cant be destroyed?

Kevin949 wrote:No, it says it can't be destroyed outside of destroying the entire monolith. This doesn't mean you can't glance the monolith to death because the portal of exile is NOT a weapon. It is a piece of equipment with dual modes and one of those modes happens to operate "as a shooting attack" but it still not a weapon. Because of this, you only need to get 5 weapon destroyed, 1 immobilized and then one more of either of those to glance it to death. Still not an easy feat.

The Eternity Gate is a piece of wargear that can be used as a weapon. Technically I think that makes it, by definition, a weapon. It has a profile, and it specifically mentions that it cannot be destroyed independent of the Monolith which would imply that, as a weapon, it normally COULD be destroyed, further bolstering the argument that since the vehicle has a weapon left it cannot be destroyed by a Weapon Destroyed result.

As for the other question, I'm not sure......It would appear that if you get a weapon destroyed result on a Monolith with only the Eternity Gate active, it would not transfer to Immobilized any more than it would transfer to Destroyed: Wrecked if it were already Immobilized.

Seems like a pretty solid argument to me, and it does make the Monolith significantly less afraid of Missile Spam armies. It's not as durable as it was, but it's certainly not flimsy by any stretch.

copper.talos wrote:My questions is this. Sure the monolith cannot be destroyed by glances. But if you have destroyed all the other weapons, will a weapon destroyed result become immobilised, or gets ignored since the gate cant be destroyed?

I think the consensus is that, since the gate doesn't actually count as a weapon in game terms, the monolith would become immobilized.

Edit: The guy posting above me makes a decent argument too. *shrug*

Aldarionn wrote:

Kevin949 wrote:No, it says it can't be destroyed outside of destroying the entire monolith. This doesn't mean you can't glance the monolith to death because the portal of exile is NOT a weapon. It is a piece of equipment with dual modes and one of those modes happens to operate "as a shooting attack" but it still not a weapon. Because of this, you only need to get 5 weapon destroyed, 1 immobilized and then one more of either of those to glance it to death. Still not an easy feat.

The Eternity Gate is a piece of wargear that can be used as a weapon. Technically I think that makes it, by definition, a weapon. It has a profile, and it specifically mentions that it cannot be destroyed independent of the Monolith which would imply that, as a weapon, it normally COULD be destroyed, further bolstering the argument that since the vehicle has a weapon left it cannot be destroyed by a Weapon Destroyed result.

As for the other question, I'm not sure......It would appear that if you get a weapon destroyed result on a Monolith with only the Eternity Gate active, it would not transfer to Immobilized any more than it would transfer to Destroyed: Wrecked if it were already Immobilized.

Seems like a pretty solid argument to me, and it does make the Monolith significantly less afraid of Missile Spam armies. It's not as durable as it was, but it's certainly not flimsy by any stretch.

Hm...well, I put it more in the bucket with psychic attacks. They have a "shooting profile" but are not a weapon. Yes, I understand it is very different but it's really the closest analogy I could think of at the moment. Honestly, I'd never count it as a weapon and wouldn't say the monolith couldn't be glanced to death. First off, does it really matter now? You'd need 7+ glance results that were ALL 5-6 (AP 1 withstanding) for it to matter, secondly there is so much more now that can flat out destroy a monolith I don't think glancing is a problem anymore. Especially considering the first thing EVERYONE will destroy now is the particle whip.

If you're fielding a lot of haywire or gauss weaponry, yes -- it could matter quite a bit.

Corollax wrote:If you're fielding a lot of haywire or gauss weaponry, yes -- it could matter quite a bit.

Ok, then it's probably destroyed anyway in the case of haywire. In the case of gauss weaponry, if your opponent managed 7+ glances that were all 5/6 on the results throughout the course of the entire game, I'd say he earned his kill at that point. Because A. s/he had to get close enough to utilize that many shots (most gauss that will only glance is 24" and haywire is 12" or assault range) and B. That's one hell of a result to get in one go let alone throughout an entire game. Remember, those squads that get close to your vehicles "will" become a priority target and probably won't last long.

We really need an official ruling this time around on this

Kevin949 wrote:No, it says it can't be destroyed outside of destroying the entire monolith. This doesn't mean you can't glance the monolith to death because the portal of exile is NOT a weapon. It is a piece of equipment with dual modes and one of those modes happens to operate "as a shooting attack" but it still not a weapon. Because of this, you only need to get 5 weapon destroyed, 1 immobilized and then one more of either of those to glance it to death. Still not an easy feat.

I'm of the opinion to call it a weapon since it is listed on the Necron Summary page under the heading "Weapons"

Yep, its a weapon as it is listed as such

It was the same way in the previous codex as well. Sorry but it can't be Glanced to death. I am sure a FAQ will come out stating the same thing. While it is much easier to destroy this codex than last. And really if the only thing you have to worry about is a gate that hoovers on strength with line of sight, I am guessing you already won the match.