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How difficult is it to just copy it down on a piece of paper, and a another thing why does the Imperium relay so much on these hard to find STC's, can't they just make their own stuff?

Magic?

If I told you to build me an iPad and you had half the instructions on how to make it on a broken HDD you prayed to make work, how good do you think the iPad would turn out? How good would it turn out if I told you to re-invent it?

Imperium's problem is that they lost a ton of technology and turn to ritual dogma with what they had left.

BeefCakeSoup wrote:If I told you to build me an iPad and you had half the instructions on how to make it on a broken HDD you prayed to make work, how good do you think the iPad would turn out? How good would it turn out if I told you to re-invent it?

Imperium's problem is that they lost a ton of technology and turn to ritual dogma with what they had left.

But can they make their own stuff with out the help a STC?

First off, its not that simple.

most STCs are not actually STCs.

an STC is a machine that is basically a massive database of technology. a computer storing blueprints. You tell it what equipment you need and it tells you how to build one(including the designs for factories to make it and all the resources you need)


These STCs have all been lost or damaged beyond usability. What they do have are hard copies of the blueprints. Basically the equivilant of Flash drives containing the information. Occasionally they find damaged STC machines that have incomplete data.


the holy grail of the Ad Mech is to find a working STC machine that has everything intact.




the Imperium relys on these STCs because its much easier to find them and use them then make everything from scratch.

However this doesn't mean they don't do reaserch, they do quite abit of it. but its slow and fragmentory.

Power Armor, Terminator armor, and bolters are examples on non-STC based technology(PA is actually better now then it was during the Heresy)

The Imperium's overall tech level is greater then it was during the Heresy, but it is suffering from constant warfare.

BeefCakeSoup wrote:If I told you to build me an iPad and you had half the instructions on how to make it on a broken HDD you prayed to make work, how good do you think the iPad would turn out? How good would it turn out if I told you to re-invent it?

Imperium's problem is that they lost a ton of technology and turn to ritual dogma with what they had left.

Of course, part of the birth of the mechanicum was due to the machinations of the emperor and the void dragon...

It also has to do with how knowledge is treated in the IoM. It's not viewed as something that should be shared. (They have barbed pens, that should tell a lot.) A forge world would rather horde there knowledge and SCT for the power that it gives them.

Grey Templar wrote:SNIP

STC's can also be kind of like Von neumann factories in that one STC can build tons of robots as per the Gaunts books.

nomotog wrote:It also has to do with how knowledge is treated in the IoM. It's not viewed as something that should be shared. (They have barbed pens, that should tell a lot.) A forge world would rather horde there knowledge and SCT for the power that it gives them.

Barbed pens are a useless point seeing as these type of pens are still used by some people today cause they llike them. Its simply a part of culture that some people use them. The Mechanicum horde knowledge so as to preserve their power and to be douches to everyone.

Read these links to know about STC's:

http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/STC

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Standard_Template_Construct

Here is the kind of tech and damage DAoT colonies could do to themselves:

Zayth Gazetteer

Like so many worlds across the galaxy, Zayth is a place of never-ending war and bloody, futile conflict. For centuries uncounted, its human inhabitants have been locked in a bitter struggle against their kin—warrior clans living in behemoth land-ships and fighting for reasons lost in the smoke and blood of battle. There is much to interest Rogue Traders here, however—the land-ships themselves are artifacts of a time now lost to the Imperium; dark-age technology of incalculable value. The world’s blasted landscape is also a scavenger’s dream, littered with the remains of millennia
of warfare. However, no one just lands on Zayth and looks around—to even approach the world requires the support of at least one of the clans and more than one intrepid explorer has underestimated the power of the land-ships and had his vessel blasted from the sky.


The Big War

Even within the vaulted halls of the city-sized land-ships, the clans of Zayth have little memory of how their world came to be the blasted wasteland of death and destruction it is today. Visitors to Zayth from the Imperium, though few and far between, have pieced together something of the history of this tragic world and its descent into endless conflict. From patchy Administratum records compared against the incomplete data of the clans—kept for the most part locked in cogitators deep within the land-ships—it seems that Zayth was once a green and verdant world, settled millennia ago during mankind’s great expansion across the stars. Over time, however, the shifting tides of the warp and the waning strength of humanities’ grasp on the galaxy meant Zayth was cut off and forgotten.

Alone, its inhabitants turned inwards, and what had once been a single unified colony of man became a distrustful world of suspicious city-states and secretive nations. Still in control of powerful dark age technology—city-levelling macrocannons, virulent bio-agents and mighty land-ships the size of hives—the city-states and nations created the thousand-year treaty that restricted conflict to remote regions and far out to sea. It was a treaty that lasted less than a decade. There are no solid records of what began the Big War, but its effects are plain to see for anyone visiting Zayth. Everything was laid to ruin as armies swarmed across the land, bombs dropped from the sky, and the mighty land-ships strode across the earth like merciless gods of war. At first, there must have been some kind of plan for victory, some strategy to defeat the enemy and restore the peace.

However, as the war escalated, all seemed forgotten in years of fire, blood, and death. After a time (impossible to gauge from fractured records), only the land-ships and their crews remained, protected from their now-toxic world by thick hulls and flickering void shields. With nothing left to hope for, the crews fought on, driven by a bitter hatred of the other land-ships and the memory of their homelands burnt to ash. Generations came and went within the land-ships and what was once a military crew became a clan, a tribal city-state with no allegiances beyond its armoured shell. Today, the land-ships crunch and grind their way across the wasteland in paths set out by their Elder-Tacticians, driven on by the hatred of their Gun-Masters, and maintained by the secretive Engine-Orders. Occasionally a land-ship falls, its carcass stripped and looted by the others, and Zayth takes another slow and steady step toward the day it will become a dead world.


Ash and Death

Zayth is a wasteland pocked with craters and divided by vast dry ocean basins, long since boiled away by radiation and nuclear fire. Even the world’s mountains have been shattered and smashed by titanic exchanges of firepower until they are little more than lines of jagged foothills crisscrossing dust choked plains. It is across this remaining macro-continent that the landships sail—churning up great plumes of radioactive ash in their wakes. Occasionally their passage unearths a grim reminder of the past—the broken foundations of a pre-war city, the petrified stumps of an ancient forest, or even the skeletal remains of a destroyed land-ship. For the most part these desiccated remains are only given a cursory glance by the land-ship for anything of use, and then quickly forgotten. The clans have little connection to their past and less interest in exploring it.

Beyond these broken memories of the world that once was, the only other major landmarks on Zayth are the Great Craters. Caused by the first bombs dropped in the Big War, these craters are kilometres across and sometimes hundreds of metres deep. So potent were the bombs that made them that the land-ships still avoid crossing them, for fear of radiation hard enough to slice though their shields and fry their hulls. The Great Craters also act as a guide to those crossing the wastelands, their greenish glow visible for thousands of kilometres in all directions. In fact, they can even be seen from orbit as eerie glowing dots of light powerful enough to pierce the thick toxic atmosphere.

Aside from the Great Craters and the land-ships themselves, the greatest danger to a traveller on Zayth are the toxic storms. After centuries of warfare and the complete destruction of its biosphere, the world of Zayth has become a hellish place to visit. Its skies are constantly covered in boiling crimson storm clouds, lit from within by jagged bolts of purple lightning. Without natural barriers to stop it, the wind howls around the world creating tornados of dust and ash that can strip a man to bone in seconds —if the radiation and airborne toxins haven’t already reduced him to bloody slag. For the most part, these storms wash harmlessly over the land-ships’ heavy shields, but once every so often a titanic one tears across the wasteland and any land-ship in it path must stop and dig into the hard earth to survive—its inhabitants cowering in the ship’s hold, praying to the ancestor spirits of the Engine-Orders to keep their ship upright.


Land-Ships of Zayth

The humans of Zayth live almost exclusively in the land-ships, each one home to a fiercely independent clan with its own set of traditions and rites. Over the centuries, the land-ships themselves have also become unique: as the toxic winds of Zayth and the constant war between the clans damage them they are repaired in a variety of inventive and makeshift ways, mostly from parts scavenged from beneath the ash-covered plains or torn from vanquished rivals. From a distance, a land-ship looks not unlike an Imperial hive, its ringed hull tapering toward a point hundreds of metres above its vast base. Closer in, a multitude of protrusions become visible—gun decks, sensorium banks and dust glider hangers covering its hull like a thousand tiny wounds. At its base, behind a billowing cloud of ash and dust, legs, tracks and suspensor arrays can be glimpsed, holding the mighty structure aloft. There is nothing in the Imperial arsenal that completely compares to a land-ship, and more than one traveller from the Imperium has commented that it is as if a light cruiser had landed and sprouted legs—certainly a land-ship’s firepower is comparable to many battlefleet ships of the line.

Each of these monstrosities is home to a clan, the ancient descendants of its military crew. Within these clans exists a rigid caste system, perhaps brought about by the martial discipline of their ancestry. At the head of this structure are the Elder-Tacticians, mystic officers charged with plotting the course of the clan and the path the land-ship travels. Ancient and wise, the tacticians spend most of their time cataloguing and researching the centuries worth of records from countless engagements and weapon tests to prepare for their clan’s next encounter with a rival land-ship. In more recent times, the arrival of off-worlders has prompted them to re-evaluate how these outside influences might change the course of the Big War.

Beneath the tacticians are the Gun-Masters, those men and women specially trained to operate the weapon systems of the land-ships, be they conversion-beam batteries, macro-cannon turrets, or squadrons of missile-laden dust gliders. These are sacred positions aboard the land-ships, where surviving the next conflict is all that matters in the never-ending battle between the clans. Below the Gun-Masters dwell the teeming masses of the land-ships; men, women, and children who call the lumbering citadels their home. Of course they too have a role to play, for everyone aboard a land-ship contributes to its battle readiness—be it cleaning decks, crafting shells, or carrying fuel. Finally there are the Engine-Orders—secretive cults that keep the vast machinery of the land-ships running, passing on the secrets of their working from one generation to the next. Aboard a land-ship they seal off corridors, rooms, and sometimes whole decks behind tarnished copper doors—a clear message to all aboard that only those of the Engine-Order may pass beyond their threshold. Understandably, Adeptus Mechanicus techpriests and Explorators that have visited Zayth have noted the parallels between the Engine-Orders and the Machine Cult—and there are even rumours of the Mechanicus infiltrating the orders of Zayth to unearth the secrets of the land-ships. Some tech-priests have noted the similarities between the land-ships and similar structures on the moon of Cog and the mobile hive of Ambulon on Scintilla, only further increasing the Machine Cult’s desire to plumb their secrets.


The World that Once Was

The dust plains and ash wastes of Zayth hide a past long forgotten and buried by war. Travellers to Zayth speak of ancient cities buried beneath the ash, some still mostly intact and littered with ancient Imperial technology, forgotten wealth, and records of man’s expansion into this region of space. One such city that even the clans themselves speak of is Zolran—fabled capital of Zayth and first colony of man. Stories tell of the city surviving the first bombs of the Big War—sheltered beneath a powerful shield dome. As the war dragged on, however, and more and more of the world was laid to waste Zolran found itself alone, its inhabitants unable to escape the dome that protected them from the land-ships and the world’s worsening climate. Finally its location was lost, buried beneath the shifting ash and dust of Zayth, the clans still whisper that the city and its inhabitants survive, hidden somewhere in the wastes.

There are also reports of something much older on Zayth, ruins that predate even the coming of man and the start of the Big War. It is said that far out in the dust basins are deep ravines, that once long ago would have been deepsea trenches—before the oceans boiled away—and within these deep cracks in the earth is the remains of an alien city, undisturbed and unvisited for millennia.

The Explorers’ vessel must enter low orbit (well within 10,000 km or one Void Unit of the planet’s surface) to initiate a bombardment (essentially, it will have no Manoeuvre actions until it breaks orbit, and must remain stationary—except for changing orientation—every turn it conducts the bombardment). A Zayth land-ship should count as a cruiser with Armour 16, 3 Void Shields, and 75 Hull Integrity. It also has the equivalent of two Mars Pattern Macrocannon broadsides, which—while designed for surface work—are easily capable of hitting a starship in low orbit. The land-ship has a Detection Rating of –10, and a Crack crew (Skills and Characteristics of 40). It will perform Extended Actions such as Focused Augury and Lock On.

All this^ is from the RT campaign adventure "Lure of the Expanse"


One final thing, Landships are armed with Vehicle-mounted Conversion Beamers which I bolded in the long text. What are Conversion Beamers you ask? Here's the answer, the ones below are from Deathwatch:

Although many of the weapons carried by Space Marines are wonders of technology beyond the dreams of normal men, there are some machines that are so exceptional that only a Techmarine may attend them. One of the most unusual of these is the conversion beamer, a rare weapon that works by converting matter to energy in a beam that becomes stronger the further it extends and the more matter is converted. It is only by the constant ministrations of a Techmarine that such a weapon can be utilised—should anyone else attempt to use the weapon, its war spirit might become greatly angered and turn its ire upon the wielder instead.

Astartes Conversion Beamer

A small number of these rare and deadly archeotech devices circulate through the hands of senior Techmarines. By using the energy stored in atomic bonds, a conversion beamer can annihilate creatures, vehicles, or nearly anything its beam reaches, provided it is given time to build to critical mass. When fired, a conversion beamer expels a stream of neutronbombarded particles, beginning an atomic chain reactionthat converts matter to energy in a blazing beam that hurtles towards the target. As the escalating reaction travels, more and more air molecules are converted into a deadly blast that finally consumes the target in an explosive release of energy. Conversion beamers are more powerful at long ranges as they can absorb more matter into the blast’s strength before it hits.

At distances of up to 15 metres, it does 1d10+9 Damage and has a Penetration of 2. Over that distance and up to Short Range, it does 3d10+9 Damage with a Penetration of 8 and gains the Felling Quality. Against targets further than Short Range it does 6d10+12 Damage with a Penetration of 14 and possesses the Felling and Blast(2) Qualities.

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Grey Templar wrote:
Power Armor, Terminator armor, and bolters are examples on non-STC based technology(PA is actually better now then it was during the Heresy)

False. Terminator armor, unless this has been retconned, came from modifying suits worn by technicians to enable the maintenance crews of spacecraft to operate in hard vacuum or in other adverse atmospheric conditions. We don't know what humans during the DAoT wore for armor. The Interex were not DAoT humanity.

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Grey Templar wrote:
Power Armor, Terminator armor, and bolters are examples on non-STC based technology(PA is actually better now then it was during the Heresy)

False. Terminator armor, unless this has been retconned, came from modifying suits worn by technicians to enable the maintenance crews of spacecraft to operate in hard vacuum or in other adverse atmospheric conditions. We don't know what humans during the DAoT wore for armor. The Interex were not DAoT humanity.

it has been changed.

TDA was an evolution of the hazard suits used to service Fusion reactors while the reactors were still running. This was a new development during the great crusade.

Grey Templar wrote:

Corporal_Reznov wrote: Automatically Appended Next Post:

Grey Templar wrote:
Power Armor, Terminator armor, and bolters are examples on non-STC based technology(PA is actually better now then it was during the Heresy)

False. Terminator armor, unless this has been retconned, came from modifying suits worn by technicians to enable the maintenance crews of spacecraft to operate in hard vacuum or in other adverse atmospheric conditions. We don't know what humans during the DAoT wore for armor. The Interex were not DAoT humanity.

it has been changed.

TDA was an evolution of the hazard suits used to service Fusion reactors while the reactors were still running. This was a new development during the great crusade.

Um...how is this a retcon or change? Its pretty much the same thing I said. Its being used for reactors doesn't change the fact that it can be used in other areas and that it was modified into current Terminator armor.

Corporal_Reznov wrote:

Grey Templar wrote:

Corporal_Reznov wrote: Automatically Appended Next Post:

Grey Templar wrote:
Power Armor, Terminator armor, and bolters are examples on non-STC based technology(PA is actually better now then it was during the Heresy)

False. Terminator armor, unless this has been retconned, came from modifying suits worn by technicians to enable the maintenance crews of spacecraft to operate in hard vacuum or in other adverse atmospheric conditions. We don't know what humans during the DAoT wore for armor. The Interex were not DAoT humanity.

it has been changed.

TDA was an evolution of the hazard suits used to service Fusion reactors while the reactors were still running. This was a new development during the great crusade.

Um...how is this a retcon or change? Its pretty much the same thing I said. Its being used for reactors doesn't change the fact that it can be used in other areas and that it was modified into current Terminator armor.

You seemed to be countering me saying its NOT an STC based technology.

The fact it was developed from something else is solid proof its not an STC.

I'm not sure what you were saying either, were you agreeing with me or is something not clear here?

Grey Templar wrote:

Corporal_Reznov wrote:

Grey Templar wrote:

Corporal_Reznov wrote: Automatically Appended Next Post:

Grey Templar wrote:
Power Armor, Terminator armor, and bolters are examples on non-STC based technology(PA is actually better now then it was during the Heresy)

False. Terminator armor, unless this has been retconned, came from modifying suits worn by technicians to enable the maintenance crews of spacecraft to operate in hard vacuum or in other adverse atmospheric conditions. We don't know what humans during the DAoT wore for armor. The Interex were not DAoT humanity.

it has been changed.

TDA was an evolution of the hazard suits used to service Fusion reactors while the reactors were still running. This was a new development during the great crusade.

Um...how is this a retcon or change? Its pretty much the same thing I said. Its being used for reactors doesn't change the fact that it can be used in other areas and that it was modified into current Terminator armor.

You seemed to be countering me saying its NOT an STC based technology.

The fact it was developed from something else is solid proof its not an STC.

I'm not sure what you were saying either, were you agreeing with me or is something not clear here?

TDA is not STC tech but it is based on STC tech.

Corporal_Reznov wrote:

Grey Templar wrote:

Corporal_Reznov wrote:

Grey Templar wrote:

Corporal_Reznov wrote: Automatically Appended Next Post:

Grey Templar wrote:
Power Armor, Terminator armor, and bolters are examples on non-STC based technology(PA is actually better now then it was during the Heresy)

False. Terminator armor, unless this has been retconned, came from modifying suits worn by technicians to enable the maintenance crews of spacecraft to operate in hard vacuum or in other adverse atmospheric conditions. We don't know what humans during the DAoT wore for armor. The Interex were not DAoT humanity.

it has been changed.

TDA was an evolution of the hazard suits used to service Fusion reactors while the reactors were still running. This was a new development during the great crusade.

Um...how is this a retcon or change? Its pretty much the same thing I said. Its being used for reactors doesn't change the fact that it can be used in other areas and that it was modified into current Terminator armor.

You seemed to be countering me saying its NOT an STC based technology.

The fact it was developed from something else is solid proof its not an STC.

I'm not sure what you were saying either, were you agreeing with me or is something not clear here?

TDA is not STC tech but it is based on STC tech.

You can say that about a lot of things...
And vice versa...

purplefood wrote:
You can say that about a lot of things...
And vice versa...

Meaning what exactly?

Corporal_Reznov wrote:

purplefood wrote:
You can say that about a lot of things...
And vice versa...

Meaning what exactly?

Well you can say a lot of things are based on STC designs but you can also say STC designs are based on a lot of other things... which means anything based on an STC design is also based on a non-STC design...
Swings and roundabouts... whatever that actually means... never was too sure what it meant...

Corporal_Reznov wrote:

Grey Templar wrote:

Corporal_Reznov wrote:

Grey Templar wrote:

Corporal_Reznov wrote: Automatically Appended Next Post:

Grey Templar wrote:
Power Armor, Terminator armor, and bolters are examples on non-STC based technology(PA is actually better now then it was during the Heresy)

False. Terminator armor, unless this has been retconned, came from modifying suits worn by technicians to enable the maintenance crews of spacecraft to operate in hard vacuum or in other adverse atmospheric conditions. We don't know what humans during the DAoT wore for armor. The Interex were not DAoT humanity.

it has been changed.

TDA was an evolution of the hazard suits used to service Fusion reactors while the reactors were still running. This was a new development during the great crusade.

Um...how is this a retcon or change? Its pretty much the same thing I said. Its being used for reactors doesn't change the fact that it can be used in other areas and that it was modified into current Terminator armor.

You seemed to be countering me saying its NOT an STC based technology.

The fact it was developed from something else is solid proof its not an STC.

I'm not sure what you were saying either, were you agreeing with me or is something not clear here?

TDA is not STC tech but it is based on STC tech.

Two things. First, that isn't what you said. You said 'False' without actually countering any point in the post you quoted, so good job there.
Secondly, saying the suits Terminator Armour was based on is from an STC is conjecture.

xxmatt85 wrote:How difficult is it to just copy it down on a piece of paper, and a another thing why does the Imperium relay so much on these hard to find STC's, can't they just make their own stuff?

Because it was probably made that way.
Today we have paper that can't be copied or scanned again in order to protect data on it.
You can also make all files on Hard Drive read only, making the copying impossible to.
Why is it so hard to believe that Humans from M15 or M18 made them like this to protect date from falling into alien hands?
Or simply to protect it. And since Imperium lost that level of technology every STC is like Holy Grail of science.

iproxtaco wrote:
Two things. First, that isn't what you said. You said 'False' without actually countering any point in the post you quoted, so good job there.

Heh my bad grammar and english . I was only talking about Terminator armor.

Secondly, saying the suits Terminator Armour was based on is from an STC is conjecture.

Why? A lot of DAoT tech is STC tech and if we go with the 'very' plausible and sensible idea that STC didn't contain the true DAoT tech, a tech suit for spaceships is simple tech compared to the ability to cause Stars to go Supernova and thus be included in the STC's. You're right in saying that I mad a conjecture but I believe that its true as per what I said above this.

Corporal_Reznov wrote:

iproxtaco wrote:
Two things. First, that isn't what you said. You said 'False' without actually countering any point in the post you quoted, so good job there.

Heh my bad grammar and english . I was only talking about Terminator armor.

Secondly, saying the suits Terminator Armour was based on is from an STC is conjecture.

Why? A lot of DAoT tech is STC tech and if we go with the 'very' plausible and sensible idea that STC didn't contain the true DAoT tech, a tech suit for spaceships is simple tech compared to the ability to cause Stars to go Supernova and thus be included in the STC's.

The STCs were supposed to help colonists to make anything without the specialised skills needed to actually make them...
They contained everything, they were the sum of human knowledge and learning at the time.

purplefood wrote:
The STCs were supposed to help colonists to make anything without the specialised skills needed to actually make them...
They contained everything, they were the sum of human knowledge and learning at the time.

No thats an STC library. Normal STC's which were what colonies used didn't contain that cause its sane not to give any would be hick the ability to build Supernova inducing bombs, thats why.

Corporal_Reznov wrote:

purplefood wrote:
The STCs were supposed to help colonists to make anything without the specialised skills needed to actually make them...
They contained everything, they were the sum of human knowledge and learning at the time.

No thats an STC library. Normal STC's which were what colonies used didn't contain that cause its sane not to give any would be hick the ability to build Supernova inducing bombs, thats why.

Fairly sure it was all STCs...
At any rate it's not like they would use them.
A supernova bomb is a fairly stupid idea since you're likely to wipe yourself out as well.

purplefood wrote:
Fairly sure it was all STCs...

Okay lets go with your idea then for this post. All STC's have humanities knowledge including the extinction tech but that is locked away by codes so its safe, right? Not. Enough hard work and powerful AI will breach that code in time and human colony worlds before Warp drive had a lot of timeto crack those codes if they wanted to.

At any rate it's not like they would use them.

Who can say? Some crazy despot with dreams of grandeur and hate for Terra not think to try something like this? Read my earlier post. That was a mere colony world and it had tech to sterilize their planet by themselves and you want to give these people access to even more dangerous tech .

A supernova bomb is a fairly stupid idea since you're likely to wipe yourself out as well.

Not with cloaking tech and robotic ships as per Deatwatch rpg's.

"Based on STC" is still technology that is NOT an STC. it is altered from its original form.

Grey Templar wrote:The Imperium's overall tech level is greater then it was during the Heresy, but it is suffering from constant warfare.

I wouldn't go that far. Look at the amount of weaponry and vehicles that existed back in the crusades that doesn't now, mostly due to not being able to or being unwilling to reinvent the technology. Just look at some cursade era vehicles like Imperial jetbikes and Contemptor pattern dreadnoughts. Look at the divisions of Baneblades fielded then compared to the handful they have on hand for large scale engagements, if any at all, due to only one Forgeworld knowing how to make them. They're constantly at war, yes, which makes them lose technology all the time.

There definitely are examples of tech that is better. As you said, power armour is better. Las weapons are better. Boltguns are better. The basics are better in some places. But there was a lot more available during the heresy which isn't anymore. Overall, while some of the basics are better, their overall tech is definitely not as good as it was during the crusade.

Grey Templar wrote:"Based on STC" is still technology that is NOT an STC. it is altered from its original form.

Okay fine. But its still fact that TDA armor came from Suits designed for technicians that had been modified to become TDA.

-Loki- wrote:
I wouldn't go that far. Look at the amount of weaponry and vehicles that existed back in the crusades that doesn't now, mostly due to not being able to or being unwilling to reinvent the technology. Just look at some cursade era vehicles like Imperial jetbikes and Contemptor pattern dreadnoughts. Look at the divisions of Baneblades fielded then compared to the handful they have on hand for large scale engagements, if any at all, due to only one Forgeworld knowing how to make them. They're constantly at war, yes, which makes them lose technology all the time.

There definitely are examples of tech that is better. As you said, power armour is better. Las weapons are better. Boltguns are better. The basics are better in some places. But there was a lot more available during the heresy which isn't anymore. Overall, while some of the basics are better, their overall tech is definitely not as good as it was during the crusade.

Agreed!

I think that the big reason they can't copy STCs is because they haven't yet found the STC that contains the tech needed to copy STCs.

There's probably a "I know how much you like" joke in there.

The real reason is that the Ad Mech found Windows Vista and currently uses that as their main operating system. They havn't found the Windows 7 STC. The Mac STC was corrupted and had to be destroyed.

It's quite easy.
I believe they forgot how to do a recursive copy on a unix. cp -rf
or it could just be, that sleuthing gothic dialect, i hear Siri is having issues with it

nah, but really, it comes down to this. try handing an ipad to a tribe in the amazonas.