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I have a necron phaeron overlord that's really expensive and he might be too expensive. Please say if you think he is. I've put what upgrades and his total cost below:

Overlord
Tachyon arrow
Warscythe
Tesseract labyrinth
phlactery
mindschackle scarabs
Resurrection orb
Phaeron
Phase shifter
275 points

His role is to shoot off the biggest lone threat on the battlefield, advance him and his lichguard to the enemy, and the differant upgrades are useful against differant armies.

Yes, this might be the most bloated waste of points I've ever seen. For an Overlord, you need to specify what you want to do. A Warsythe is generally a no-brainer. What you have to understand after that is that they really aren't that good in close combat. There isn't a huge need to pay for all of the goodies. Maybe one more item. I'd suggest either the Scarabs or Tac Arrow. Generally, I'd probably just take a Sythe and go with that.

Wow, I don't mean to poke fun but did you literally just tick basically everything on the list?

It also helps if we get an idea of what unit he will be assisting in your army? If he is joining a group of immortals or something just Phaeron (if they are guass equipped) scythe and at most res orb, it would really need to be a full 10 squad for this to be worth it.

You need to decide what role he is going to play before you kit him out like that...Overlords have a couple that they can perform, from riding on a barge with a scythe as a tank hunter to ground pounding as a rez orb/phaeron that buffs his squad.

Eh, only real builds I'll use are:

Overlord - Phaeron (maybe a res orb and/or Mindshackle)
Overlord - Warchythe, Barge

If they start getting pricier that that I usually just switch over to the Traveller or Nemesor.

You've tried to cover to many points and have gone all out to make an army specialy tailored for killing me, very bad idea!

If you are going to use this I would really consider giving him Sempiternal Weave.

Captain Knight wrote:You've tried to cover to many points and have gone all out to make an army specialy tailored for killing me, very bad idea!

????????
It isn't.
No really.
It isn't.
Just I have an army tactic.
I need all of those upgrades.
They can take down orks, tyranids, space marines, chaos, eldar yeah
So it is NOT tailored for killing you!
Get a life!
Get swiftcovered!
XD

The only must take is Mindshackle scarabs and a Warsycthe is always a good investment if your putting him in a Command Barge. Other than Phaeron which is awesome in a large squad of warriors, the others are a waste. If you want a rez orb your better off giving it to a Lord that can't be picked out of a squad.

Rez Orb Phaeron lord should be 225 points kitted out.
2+/3++ is beastly.

Lord 90
Warscythe
ResOrb
Phase Shifter
Mindshackle
Weave
Phaeron

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Don't join a Phaeron to Lychguard, Lychguard don't benefit from Relentless.

Tesseract is fun, but...

That said, the expensive Lord is more *fun* than competitive. (He's totally fun)

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For competetive Games, run the Surfboard Lord (Scythe & Barge), Anrakyr, or Zandrekh. Imotekh and Trazyn open up for you in 2000 point games (they both get better in bigger games)

I run Anrakyr on a barge then a kitted out phaeron overlord with harbinger of storm leading the eternal immortals Anrakyr provides.

Wayyyy too many upgrades. Even with all those saves, enemy will target him first, and make sure he stays dead. Plus, you could easily use those points elsewhere.
That said, you're more than welcome to try it out for a few games and see how it works.

Like Chaos stated, the only two must have upgrades are Mindshackle Scarabs and a Warscythe. I've found that Mindshackle Scarabs are grossly undercosted for what they can do.

phhaeron Latoch wrote:I have a necron phaeron overlord that's really expensive and he might be too expensive. Please say if you think he is. I've put what upgrades and his total cost below:

Overlord
Tachyon arrow
Warscythe
Tesseract labyrinth
phlactery
mindschackle scarabs
Resurrection orb
Phaeron
Phase shifter
275 points

His role is to shoot off the biggest lone threat on the battlefield, advance him and his lichguard to the enemy, and the differant upgrades are useful against differant armies.

Seriously? The most obvious mistake here is that he's taking Phaeron, for a unit which has no ranged capabilities at all. You've just crossed off all points on the upgrade list thinking "now I can beat anyones!!!1! XD". For a guy who costs the same as Draigo he doesn't have the same punch does he?

Valkyrie wrote:

phhaeron Latoch wrote:I have a necron phaeron overlord that's really expensive and he might be too expensive. Please say if you think he is. I've put what upgrades and his total cost below:

Overlord
Tachyon arrow
Warscythe
Tesseract labyrinth
phlactery
mindschackle scarabs
Resurrection orb
Phaeron
Phase shifter
275 points

His role is to shoot off the biggest lone threat on the battlefield, advance him and his lichguard to the enemy, and the differant upgrades are useful against differant armies.

Seriously? The most obvious mistake here is that he's taking Phaeron, for a unit which has no ranged capabilities at all. You've just crossed off all points on the upgrade list thinking "now I can beat anyones!!!1! XD". For a guy who costs the same as Draigo he doesn't have the same punch does he?

Really? I made him a Phaeron as it fits in with a hopefully black library book he's in, so that's why he's a phaeron. I added all the upgrades because he's a phaeron- if he was weak, what would stop him being overthrown.

phhaeron Latoch wrote:

Valkyrie wrote:

phhaeron Latoch wrote:I have a necron phaeron overlord that's really expensive and he might be too expensive. Please say if you think he is. I've put what upgrades and his total cost below:

Overlord
Tachyon arrow
Warscythe
Tesseract labyrinth
phlactery
mindschackle scarabs
Resurrection orb
Phaeron
Phase shifter
275 points

His role is to shoot off the biggest lone threat on the battlefield, advance him and his lichguard to the enemy, and the differant upgrades are useful against differant armies.

Seriously? The most obvious mistake here is that he's taking Phaeron, for a unit which has no ranged capabilities at all. You've just crossed off all points on the upgrade list thinking "now I can beat anyones!!!1! XD". For a guy who costs the same as Draigo he doesn't have the same punch does he?

Really? I made him a Phaeron as it fits in with a hopefully black library book he's in, so that's why he's a phaeron. I added all the upgrades because he's a phaeron- if he was weak, what would stop him being overthrown.

So you gave him a 20point upgrade because the Black Library told you to?

phhaeron Latoch wrote: Really? I made him a Phaeron as it fits in with a hopefully black library book he's in, so that's why he's a phaeron. I added all the upgrades because he's a phaeron- if he was weak, what would stop him being overthrown.

which Black Library book is this?

Yeah, as much as I like having an uber-lord, it just won't happen. Those are points you can spend on other things like units, upgrades for other units, etc.

Also, fluff is a poor window to see your army through. My army is a shooty army that has a crapton of Crypteks, yet I don't run more than one Royal Court of Crypteks (Harbingers of Destruction, to be precise) in games less than 2k points. There are simply other things to spend the points on. Like Tomb Blades.

Valkyrie wrote:

phhaeron Latoch wrote:

Valkyrie wrote:

phhaeron Latoch wrote:I have a necron phaeron overlord that's really expensive and he might be too expensive. Please say if you think he is. I've put what upgrades and his total cost below:

Overlord
Tachyon arrow
Warscythe
Tesseract labyrinth
phlactery
mindschackle scarabs
Resurrection orb
Phaeron
Phase shifter
275 points

His role is to shoot off the biggest lone threat on the battlefield, advance him and his lichguard to the enemy, and the differant upgrades are useful against differant armies.

Seriously? The most obvious mistake here is that he's taking Phaeron, for a unit which has no ranged capabilities at all. You've just crossed off all points on the upgrade list thinking "now I can beat anyones!!!1! XD". For a guy who costs the same as Draigo he doesn't have the same punch does he?

Really? I made him a Phaeron as it fits in with a hopefully black library book he's in, so that's why he's a phaeron. I added all the upgrades because he's a phaeron- if he was weak, what would stop him being overthrown.

So you gave him a 20point upgrade because the Black Library told you to?

No, I haven't even told them but I want the villain to be dangerous.

The Black Library isn't going to write a book about your Overlord.

MasterSlowPoke wrote:The Black Library isn't going to write a book about your Overlord.

No, I'm writing a book based on a space marine in which the overlord is the villain

I just started reading this thread, and noticed that this thread has gone to a very strange place.


Anyway, I don't really think you can balance the game mechanics with your fanfiction if you're trying to model an overlord after an overpowered supervillain.



EDIT: Also, even without knowing anything other than "writing a book based on a space marine", I'm already certain you've created a Mary Sue.

azazel the cat wrote:I just started reading this thread, and noticed that this thread has gone to a very strange place.


Anyway, I don't really think you can balance the game mechanics with your fanfiction if you're trying to model an overlord after an overpowered supervillain.



EDIT: Also, even without knowing anything other than "writing a book based on a space marine", I'm already certain you've created a Mary Sue.

Well, a space marine, commissar and inquisitor anyway

Yessir he is! Give em a scythe, scarabs, and maybe the 3++ and thats all he needs!

Is this for real? This is something I used to do when I was a complete noob. And guess what? I got pwned every.damn.TIME!
And then you ask if he's too expensive. Well, let's see, you gave him nearly every thing available...so no. He not overpriced at all.

If he's on CCB, give him a scythe and the 3++
If he's with a squad, give him a scythe, res orb, mindshackle and the 3++

You can stick the 2+ save on both if you want.

The arrow...don't bother. Sure its nice...when it hits. As you only have BS4, chances are that nice 30-something points is going to go down the drain UNLESS you have a stalker or a chrono somewhere.

phhaeron Latoch wrote:

Captain Knight wrote:You've tried to cover to many points and have gone all out to make an army specialy tailored for killing me, very bad idea!

????????
It isn't.
No really.
It isn't.
Just I have an army tactic.
I need all of those upgrades.
They can take down orks, tyranids, space marines, chaos, eldar yeah
So it is NOT tailored for killing you!
Get a life!
Get swiftcovered!
XD

Sounds like you need to switch to Blood Angles and play with Mephiston!

I think ya'll got trolled pretty bad in this thread.



FTR, I'm a proponent of throwing all the survivability upgrade on a Phaeron (even phylactery) and hitting him with each volley of fire power. He makes an ideal tank for incoming shots with a 2+/3++, RP 4+ and Phylactery. 185 points before anything else (which I wouldn't necessarily recommend if your tanking with him, give him the free PW and MSS maybe if you want to be more aggressive with the unit, or keep him with the staff and just back pedal on people).