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Fast vehicles moving at 6" can still shoot ordinance, all well and good.
But can fast vehicles moving at 12" still shoot ordinance? I assumed not, but a games workshop dude said they could. Of course, he also said in the same sentence that Demolisher cannon was AP1 so I call bs.

Yes, they can. Fast vehicles may fire one main weapon and all Defensive when moving from 6"-12".

Whether the weapon is Ordnance or not has no effect on whether you can move and fire with it, and if so how far.

A fast vehicle can fire 1 main and all defensive at 12", that 1 main can be Ordnance (but not ordnance barrage fired as barrage, but that is a restriction on ordnance barrage)

Ohh so I was wrong. Okay well that takes the piss then. Cheers anyway.

Fast vehicles can move 12" and still fire ordnance.

Fast vehicles can move 6" and still fire barrage weapons.

One of the minor changes from 4th edition.

The rule book shows the break down for weapons that can be fired from Fast Vehicles and their respective speeds, however it also stats that a vehicle wishing to fire an Ordinance weapon cannot fire any other weapons.

Where does it explain the difference between say, a Leman Russ that moves 6 inches (which can move, fire its cannon and 1 weapon) versus a Fast Vehicle lets say a Valkyrie that can normally fire everything if it moves 6 inches.

Just looking for some page numbers in the BRB to help clarify the difference between firing all weapons at 6 and firing an ordinance weapon etc etc.

The Leman Russ is a codex specific rule (Lumbering Behemoth?) so is not in the BRB.

Page 73 in the BRB has a handy chart of speed moved and weapons that can be fired.


Edit: and you're looking for pg 58 "Ordnance Barrage weapons" for the rule about remaining stationary when firing ordnance barrage. (The Leman Russ gets an exception to this rule.)

kmdl1066 wrote:The Leman Russ is a codex specific rule (Lumbering Behemoth?) so is not in the BRB.

Page 73 in the BRB has a handy chart of speed moved and weapons that can be fired.


Edit: and you're looking for pg 58 "Ordnance Barrage weapons" for the rule about remaining stationary when firing ordnance barrage. (The Leman Russ gets an exception to this rule.)

Page 58:
Ordnance Weapons:
Firing a massive ordnance weapon requires the attention of all the gunners of the vehicle, so no other weapons may be fired that turn (not even defensive weapons!)

There is a specific rule for Barrage, it seems pretty clear that no other weapon can be fired and you typically cannot move (and Lumbering Behemoth is right, I new that one).

Page 73 states:
Fast, Combat Speed, All Weapons. By this page a Valkyrie moving at 6 inches (combat speed) could fire all of its guns, including both of its Ordnance missiles, but according to the Ordnance page (listed above) it can only fire one. Which is right, and why.

Newer codex > BRB
specific rule > general rule

Page 73 is the general rule for moving and firing weapons.

Page 58 is the specific rule when firing an ordinance barrage.

As always, specific takes precedent over general.

And Hellstrike Missiles are Ordinance, not Ordinance Barrage, so the rules for Ordinance Barrage do not apply to them.

And for reference...

Ordnance = type of weapon.
Ordinance = law.

Actually, Page 70 is the general rule for Fast vehicles firing Ordnance weapons. The chart is a visual aid.

But yes, Fast vehicles that move up to 12" may fire Ordnance or Ordnance Barrage weapons.

what about a basilisk that moves during its turn 6" and has a LOS to its target... can it fire the earthshaker?

(sorry to hijack thread but its very simaler to the question i was going to make a new thread on)

DarthSpader wrote:what about a basilisk that moves during its turn 6" and has a LOS to its target... can it fire the earthshaker?

(sorry to hijack thread but its very simaler to the question i was going to make a new thread on)

Yes, simply fire directly and not as a barrage. When you do that the weapon acts just like a normal ordnance weapon and not as a barrage weapon. Ordnance barrages can't be fired after moving but normal ordnance can.

i think people forget that ord/barrarge can fire direct if they have LOS and just use normal ordance rules. glad to to know i had it right. ty for quick response

kmdl1066 wrote:Page 73 is the general rule for moving and firing weapons.

Page 58 is the specific rule when firing an ordinance barrage.

As always, specific takes precedent over general.

And Hellstrike Missiles are Ordinance, not Ordinance Barrage, so the rules for Ordinance Barrage do not apply to them.

The question was not about being able to fire it after moving, it was about being able to fire 'everything' after moving. Which still seems to not have been answered.

McNinja wrote:Actually, Page 70 is the general rule for Fast vehicles firing Ordnance weapons. The chart is a visual aid.

But yes, Fast vehicles that move up to 12" may fire Ordnance or Ordnance Barrage weapons.

I will have to check this when I get home to see if it answers the question I had, "Can they fire everything (fast) when moving at combat speed?"

Check page 70 on fast vehicles firing. Fast vehicles that move at combat speed can fire all weapons. It even specifically mentions allowing ordnance barrage.

Jstncloud wrote:

McNinja wrote:Actually, Page 70 is the general rule for Fast vehicles firing Ordnance weapons. The chart is a visual aid.

But yes, Fast vehicles that move up to 12" may fire Ordnance or Ordnance Barrage weapons.

I will have to check this when I get home to see if it answers the question I had, "Can they fire everything (fast) when moving at combat speed?"

OK.

Summary time.

1. Fast vehicles moving at combat speed may fire the same number of weapons as a non-Fast stationary vehicle, ie everything.

2. Fast vehicles moving at combat speed are even given permission to fire Ordnance Barrage weapons while moving (something disallowed to non-Fast vehicles).

3. There are no exceptions given concerning the normal rules about Ordnance/Ordnance Barrage weapons firing alongside other weapons on the same vehicle, ie no other weapon may be fired when an Ordnance/Ordnance Barrage weapon is fired.

Does that answer your question?

Steelmage99 wrote:

Jstncloud wrote:

McNinja wrote:Actually, Page 70 is the general rule for Fast vehicles firing Ordnance weapons. The chart is a visual aid.

But yes, Fast vehicles that move up to 12" may fire Ordnance or Ordnance Barrage weapons.

I will have to check this when I get home to see if it answers the question I had, "Can they fire everything (fast) when moving at combat speed?"

OK.

Summary time.

1. Fast vehicles moving at combat speed may fire the same number of weapons as a non-Fast stationary vehicle, ie everything.

2. Fast vehicles moving at combat speed are even given permission to fire Ordnance Barrage weapons while moving (something disallowed to non-Fast vehicles).

3. There are no exceptions given concerning the normal rules about Ordnance/Ordnance Barrage weapons firing alongside other weapons on the same vehicle, ie no other weapon may be fired when an Ordnance/Ordnance Barrage weapon is fired.

Does that answer your question?

Alright, so if a Valkyrie movies 6 inches, it can fire ONE Ordnance weapon and NOTHING else, correct? This is what I am trying to verify.

That is correct. A Valkyrie can stand still, move combat speed or move cruising speed. At all of those movement rates it can fire ONE Ordnance weapon and nothing else.