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I have recently started CSM and I have a quick question about their basic wargear. It lists that basic CSM have PA, CC weapon, krak and frag grenades, bolt pistol and bolter. So am I to understand they have both a bolter and the pistol CC weapon combo? Meaning they can fire a bolter as expected and when ever CC reaches them they have a +1 attack bonus for having a pistol CC weapon combo?

They do have all three, but I believe you are constricted to using the weapon you used in the previous shooting phase in CC. So if you shoot the bolter and then assault, you do not get the +1 to attacks. However, you can use the BP+CCW in the shooting phase, then charge and get the +1 for two weapons.

You can't shoot the bolter and then assault as it is RF. However if you're gonna charge you can fire the pistol anyway as you will be in range, bare that in mind as people like to be picky, me being one of them sometimes, especially if I get to shoot them with rapid fire next turn

Obrek wrote:They do have all three, but I believe you are constricted to using the weapon you used in the previous shooting phase in CC. So if you shoot the bolter and then assault, you do not get the +1 to attacks. However, you can use the BP+CCW in the shooting phase, then charge and get the +1 for two weapons.

What if you used the bolter and then in the opponents turn were assaulted. Would you be using the +1 attack from the close combat weapon and pistol, or still the Bolter?

Obrek wrote:They do have all three, but I believe you are constricted to using the weapon you used in the previous shooting phase in CC. So if you shoot the bolter and then assault, you do not get the +1 to attacks. However, you can use the BP+CCW in the shooting phase, then charge and get the +1 for two weapons.

You believe wrong.

You are only prevented from assaulting if you fire a rapid fire weapon in your shooting phase (unless relentless).
Nothing stops you from shooting your bolt pistol and charging, getting the +1A bonus for the two weapons, then (provided you wipe out your enemy), firing the bolter in your next shooting phase.

Older rules edition hangups have much to answer for.

thank you all for your responses, they definatly cleared it up for me. the only question i still would like to know is as asked in one reply, if you fire your boter in your turn and are assulted by the enemy in their turn, do you get to use the bolt pistol and CC weapon? in my thinking the CSM could just as easily switch while observing an incoming assult as he would as he he is allowed to in his shooting phase. does anyone know a definitive answer?

Ignore that poster, as they dont know what they are talknig about.

The weapon you fire with has NO BEARING on what combination of weapons you use in close combat. NONE*

So if you are relentless and fire a bolter, yo ucan assault and use BP+Chainsword.


*Ork burnas are the only exception i can think of...and then only because you gain a CCW if you dont fire the burner

You start with the basic equipment, bolter, pistol, CCW.

You may shoot the pistol, and charge into combat gaining +1 attack
You may fire your bolter rapid fire, and if attacked you still get your +1 attack in combat, but you may not charge that round.
You may still trade, were possible, weapons out for other weapons, such as a power sword, gaining +1 attack in melee, thanks to still having either the bolt pistol or CCW.

Make sure you read up on shooing, rapid fire, and assaults.

juraigamer wrote:You may fire your bolter firing either one or two shots, and if attacked you still get your +1 attack in combat, but you may not charge that round

Fixed it for you. How many shots you fire with a rapid fire weapon doesn't matter. You can still switch to your pistol/CCW for the +1 attack and you still can't charge.

thank you for all of your responses. i worded it in a way that made it seem like i wanted to shot then charge but i am farmiliar with the rapid fire rules. I just wanted to double check that you could shoot in your turn and not miss out on using CCW and BP if charged by the enemy. Its all much more clear thanks again!

Lets make the answer really easy, if a unit of CSM get charged they get +1 attack for having a CCW and a Pistol.