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Hi all!

I haven't been able to figure out how using a target lock would impact what units the firing unit can charge. just from my reading of the Rule book and Codex, I'd say that the unit (say, a stealth team that has a Fusion Blaster firing against a Rhino and the 2 others firing burst cannons at a unit of Space Marines) If The stealth suit then decided to assault, would they be able to pick which way to go, or is it the Majority?

I'm sure this is a fairly obvious question, and probably irrelevant considering any Tau unit assaulting is suicide, but I'm trying to really understand the rules.

The unit picks a target, and this is the unit that must be assaulted. The models with Target Locks may then fire at different targets, but that doesn't change what "the unit" fired at. So assuming the model with Fusion Blaster is the one with the Target Lock, they must assault the Marines if they choose to assault.

Unless the Stealth Team has a special rule to allow them to, current rules only allow you to fire at once unit at a time, so all the shots must to aimed towards the Rhino or all towards the Space Marines.

CrashCanuck wrote:Unless the Stealth Team has a special rule to allow them to, current rules only allow you to fire at once unit at a time, so all the shots must to aimed towards the Rhino or all towards the Space Marines.

That is what the Target Locks are for.

But Chrysis has it right, you pick a unit to fire at with the unit, then you declare where your target locks are firing.

You can only assault the unit that the firing unit declared at its target.

Both units fired upon are targets, aren't they? Thus either would be a legitimate assault target too.

No, "The Unit" fired upon one enemy unit. Certain models within fired at something different, but the unit fired at one particular thing. So "The Unit" must assault that thing.

Here's another scenario, again all hypothetical. I have a 3 man crisis team, all outfitted with different wargear, all with target locks. One goes for a transport, and the 2 others each go for a different unit. Would I have to select one of the targets as the 'unit' I'm firing at, or would that leave it up in the air?

You would have to select something for "The Unit" to fire at. You could technically game it by selecting something and then have all the models use their target locks to shoot at something else. But then you'd probably get slapped with the Hardcover rulebook.

There is nothing telling you that you cannot assault a unit you shot at, the crisis suits are relentless so what weapon doesn't matter either.

If you have a target lock on 2 suits in a unit of 3, and the unit chooses to shoot at a unit of marines, while a suit with the TL shoots at a rhino, and the other suit shoots at a landspeeder, if anything still stands in the assault phase they may choose to declare their assault against any of the 3.

If you want to go by your logic with declaring and then whatnot, you are saying a unit of 3 crisis suits with target clocks declare they are shooting a rhino, but all use their target locks to shoot marines nearby, they can only assault the rhino? Ballocks

Wait...Tau Assault things?!!
lol

juraigamer wrote:There is nothing telling you that you cannot assault a unit you shot at, the crisis suits are relentless so what weapon doesn't matter either.

If you have a target lock on 2 suits in a unit of 3, and the unit chooses to shoot at a unit of marines, while a suit with the TL shoots at a rhino, and the other suit shoots at a landspeeder, if anything still stands in the assault phase they may choose to declare their assault against any of the 3.

If you want to go by your logic with declaring and then whatnot, you are saying a unit of 3 crisis suits with target clocks declare they are shooting a rhino, but all use their target locks to shoot marines nearby, they can only assault the rhino? Ballocks

There is, its in the shooting rules under check line of sight & pick a target.

P.16 brb under check line of sight & pick a target: "A firing unit can choose a single enemy unit that is not locked in combat as its target"

A unit may only pick one enemy unit as its target, so that is the only unit you can launch an assault against.

SlaveToDorkness wrote:Wait...Tau Assault things?!!
lol

once in a blue moon, if there is no escape, to deny the enemy a charge to try and tie them up a turn to stop from contesting/ claiming an objective

never actually won an assault with them though

My crisis commander went toe to toe with an ork war boss after giving him a rapid fire plasma blast to the teeth, and won.

VoxDei wrote:My crisis commander went toe to toe with an ork war boss after giving him a rapid fire plasma blast to the teeth, and won.

oh yah?!?

My commander and retinue took on a full unit of termaguants and won.
I had 6 fire warriors assault a monolith and blow it up.
I had a fire warrior cause a wound to a carnifex in cc!!!

While were on the subject I had a squad of pathfinders win in close combat against Khorne Berzerkers. Killed more and finished the rest through fearless wounds.

Well since we're bragging, my lowly IG infantry man, took out Kharn the Betrayer in CC. It was a sad, sad day for Chaos...


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And yes I do realize you're talking about Tau in CC, not IG.

VoxDei wrote:My crisis commander went toe to toe with an ork war boss after giving him a rapid fire plasma blast to the teeth, and won.

Unfortunately the current version of the write up for the Crisis Suit actually strips it of being truly Relentless. Instead it counts as stationary when firing a Rapid Fire weapon (ie Tau Plasma Rifle).

You don't get to assault after firing a Rapid Fire weapon unless you actually are Relentless.

Dumb, I know. But it's the way the description is worded.

There have been several threads about this, and the general conclusion reached was that Crisis Suits are indeed Relentless; Crisis Armour states that they do not count as moving when firing RF weapons, but also says they're subject to the rules for Jetpacks in the 40k Rulebook, so they count as being stationary when firing RF weapons, but they are also Relentless, so it doesn't matter anyway.

Jefffar wrote:

VoxDei wrote:My crisis commander went toe to toe with an ork war boss after giving him a rapid fire plasma blast to the teeth, and won.

Unfortunately the current version of the write up for the Crisis Suit actually strips it of being truly Relentless. Instead it counts as stationary when firing a Rapid Fire weapon (ie Tau Plasma Rifle).

You don't get to assault after firing a Rapid Fire weapon unless you actually are Relentless.

Dumb, I know. But it's the way the description is worded.

brb says they are relentless. No where in the codex does it say they are not. It only says they cannot fire HWs. The codex also says that they can't move in the assault phase after deep striking like a regular jet pack but that doesnt mean they dont have jet packs.

Additionally, Vox never said he was the one who assaulted. It's possible, he shot up the warboss, then on the next turn, the Warboss assaulted his crisis cdr.

Happyjew wrote:Additionally, Vox never said he was the one who assaulted. It's possible, he shot up the warboss, then on the next turn, the Warboss assaulted his crisis cdr.

This is actually what happened . She caught me on her waahhhh