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Overlord is a Barge wants to lay the smackdown on a Rhino, but cannot land close by because several Rhinos have castled up. Could the Overlord say fly 6" towards a Rhino so is 'over it' and move another 6" away from it, so like moving in a upside down V shape if that makes sense. Nothing says you have to move in a straight line at the Overlord is flying over the Rhino.

Example

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So the Overlord flies from the left and towards and over the centre Rhino, and carries on moving away and lands on the right. Lets say this total move is 12".

You don't have to go in a straight line do you? Just fly over. Is it legal?

There is no rule that you have to move in a straight line during the Movement Phase with the exception of if you were Tank Shocking/Ramming. As that is not the case sure, you can move 12" up to the Rhino then 12" back and still get those 3 Sweep Attack hits against it's rear armour.

If you move flat out or turbo boost you have to move in a straight line as well.

CrashCanuck wrote:There is no rule that you have to move in a straight line during the Movement Phase with the exception of if you were Tank Shocking/Ramming. As that is not the case sure, you can move 12" up to the Rhino then 12" back and still get those 3 Sweep Attack hits against it's rear armour.

It would be 12" in total in this case, 6" towards the centre Rhino and 6" away from the centre Rhino.


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Kevin949 wrote:If you move flat out or turbo boost you have to move in a straight line as well.

A vehicle moving flat out just moves exactly as it was moving at crusing speed, it just moves 6" extra, so a vehicle moving at flat out speed can move in any direction pattern. Doesn't say you've got to move in a straight line for turbo boost either.

Kevin949 wrote:If you move flat out or turbo boost you have to move in a straight line as well.

No such rule exists.

Ninja'd at the same time!

No, you can't. You actually have to go over the rhino. If you can do that (remember, you have to be 1" away from it, which means 2"...1" away from the beginning move and 1" away from the ending move), then you can sweep attack it. If there are vehicles behind it (or at the location where you are supposed to end up before going over it again) then you can't even do that.

With the exception of vendettas/stormravens, normal skimmers cannot have their hull overlap with another unit. They cannot "share" space much as you can overlap one infantry model over another. Thus, you cannot "go over" a rhino by merely having part of your vehicle over it. You have to be able to completely clear the rhino to go over it.

JY2 - it is perfectly legal to describe a curved path which goes over the vehicle and then back again. ENTRELY legal.

nosferatu1001 wrote:

Kevin949 wrote:If you move flat out or turbo boost you have to move in a straight line as well.

No such rule exists.

Ya, I see where I got hitched up on this. I was thinking of the bit (for bikes, anyway) where it says you have to end your move 18"+ away from your starting point to gain the cover save. For some reason I construed that as "straight line". Oddly enough though, there's no such limitation on vehicles moving flat out to get the cover save.

So, I stand corrected. Good to know. Though never having to deal with vehicles that moved over 6" prior to this codex update is lending to my...lack of understanding of vehicle rules so far.

So you can basically just camp a skimmer contesting an objective and whenever someone shoots it be like 'Oh yeah, I moved it 12" over there and 12" back to the same spot for my 4+ cover save'.

Great...

It says skimmers can move over all enemy models if you don't land on them. So I suppose it's legal, but I doubt you'll get a cover save.

IIRC it was 3rd edition where they had to move in a straight line and then there was a FAQ about 'circling' so you actually had to move your stuff.

All units count as inpassable terrain, and skimmers can move over impassable terrain and can land on it, so it could move 'over' the rino and back to its pervious point, get its save if it went fast enough. No problems.

@Arson fire. That move you describe would be such a douche thing to do. It someone does that to you. call them out! They have to do the move, state they did it in the movement phase or its pritty much cheating.

1) YES you can make a move around in a circle and back to the start, getting a 4+ cover save if youre a fast skimmer moving over 12". This is because Move /= Displacement

2) That skimmer would be autohit in close combat, because close combat counts displacement from starting point

Kevin - you do have to be at least 18" in a straight line (displacement) from your starting point in order to get the turboboost cover save, however you can get there on a curved path - just not too curved a path, with 24" maximum movement allowed

So yes, a CCB could go flat out, 12" over a tank, 12" back to the starting point, and complete sweep attacks on it

Phototoxin wrote:IIRC it was 3rd edition where they had to move in a straight line and then there was a FAQ about 'circling' so you actually had to move your stuff.

There's still a mention of "circling" your vehicles like that, but if I remember correctly it only affects what assaulting units need to roll to hit the vehicle. So if you moved in a circle and stopped in the exact same spot, regardless of how "fast", I *think* that assaulting units still hit automatically.

4th edition turbo-boost was required in a Straight line(not turning at all, no passing through difficult terrain).

Skimers in 4th could not claim the "glancing reduction" if they circled(of course they received their reduction for moving any more than 6" from their starting point).

I've never not played 5th.

I was just specifying that these were actual portions of the 4th edition rules; I don't remember the 3rd and no longer have that book.

At any rate it does not matter excepting for determining how fast a vehicle moved when assaulting it, and claming the Cover save for turbo-boosting(which requires an end point at least 18" from the start point).

Arson Fire wrote:So you can basically just camp a skimmer contesting an objective and whenever someone shoots it be like 'Oh yeah, I moved it 12" over there and 12" back to the same spot for my 4+ cover save'.

Great...

Yup....but it would still get auto-hit in close-combat as CC depends on displacement not distance moved.

nosferatu1001 wrote:1) YES you can make a move around in a circle and back to the start, getting a 4+ cover save if youre a fast skimmer moving over 12". This is because Move /= Displacement

2) That skimmer would be autohit in close combat, because close combat counts displacement from starting point

This, this right here.

Although, if your plan is to move around in a circle to get the cover save, nudge the vehicle a very little bit and CC goes from auto-hits to needing a 4+.