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Hello out there. I know when a swarm base takes a wound from a template weapon it takes double the wounds. If a instant kill template weapon hits a swarm base do you instant kill two bases or just one?

You take an extra wound which would also be ID, so you would lose 2 bases

To the extent of my knowledge, GW has never answered this question, in my opinion the intsa-kills should be doubled, but the group I play with decided that we do not (because we follow most of miniwargaming.com 's house-rules)

I thought it was pretty obvious and nt needing a faq.
Templates double hits.
High Strength wounds instant kill.

Hits are doubled before rolls to wound.
Wounding rolls instant kill.

I could be wrong, I'm very new to 40K and all, but it looked pretty strait forward to me.
It's why my dread will have a Flak Cannon (S6 template, assault 2, rending).
Touch 4 bases x 2 templates x hits doubled = 16 hits, each can instant kill. Good bye scarabs.

-Matt

HawaiiMatt wrote:I thought it was pretty obvious and nt needing a faq.
Templates double hits.
High Strength wounds instant kill.

Hits are doubled before rolls to wound.
Wounding rolls instant kill.

I could be wrong, I'm very new to 40K and all, but it looked pretty strait forward to me.
It's why my dread will have a Flak Cannon (S6 template, assault 2, rending).
Touch 4 bases x 2 templates x hits doubled = 16 hits, each can instant kill. Good bye scarabs.

-Matt

It doubles wounds not hits.

It doubles wounds. When you remove models as casualties, then you apply the instant death rules.

It should be a pretty obvious if you reread the rules for instant death.

Squidmanlolz wrote:It doubles wounds not hits.

Actually does both, if the unit that is Vulnerable to Blasts/Templates is a vehicle it is double hits, if it is a non-vehicle it is double unsaved wounds.

Personally this is an issue I am not sure with (don't play an army that has anything vulnerable to blasts/templates) but doubling up on IDs doesn't sit right with me. In a RAW stance I can see how it works though in a non-complex unit, but in a complex unit things would be a little different. RAW non-complex would double IDs as much as I dislike that thought. Complex you would still double but if you had more IDs then models of that one type you wouldn't be able carry the extras over.

it kills 2 bases. 2 Unwounded bases if able following the ID Allocation rules.

Step 1) Roll to Hit - Ignored as these auto-hit
Step 2) Roll to Wound
Step 3) Roll Saves in one group (identically equipped models and I don't think any swarms out there can diversify)
Step 4) Unsaved wounds are doubled (by the wording of the Vulnerable-to-Template/Blast rules this comes before casualty removal)
Step 5) Remove Casualties. Since the wounds cause instant death you must remove whole bases.


IE. Peg 6 Scarab bases (10 in the unit) with an Inferno Cannon (hellhound) and get 5 wounds. Punches through the armor and ignores cover. Wounds are doubled to 10. 10 bases are removed as casualties so the entire unit is toast.

Break it down step-by-step and it's pretty straight forward.