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So, if you had two armies of equal value with equal killpoints and at the end you had 2 HQs with the same initiave value and nothing else standing (so no objectives can be claimed, and let's say they're in the same table quarter as well). If these models kill eachother on the same initiative step would it be a proper, true draw? I know it'll never happen, but I was just wondering.

Hmm if you both die at the same initative, sure sounds like a draw... Unless they are a necron and get back up

I don't that it would really matter who won if it came down to something like that...unless you were really obsessive about winning. Everyone's dead, nobody wins. =P

I wouldn't say it could never happen-it's quite possible, just not very likely. Neither is rolling 5 1's at the same time. It still happens. If the 2 models are the last ones in the game and they kill each other, it's a draw-even with a different number of killpoints, it's always considered a loss if a player loses EVERY model in their army. It means both people lose, and it's a GREAT excuse to have a rematch and recount the battle to all of your friends as the most epic game ever.

Also a squad blowing up a tank, then being killed in the explosion if they were the last two units left of either side.

Due to the Wipeout! rule (BRB pg 90), technically you would both win.

I'd call that a true draw.

I've had a game where I had 1 model left (a warboss) and my opponent had 2 eldar guardians left on the far side of the board. It's very possible for both sides to be nearly wiped out or to wipe each other out.

I would consider it a time to grab a few beers! You just lost your army.

There's nothing like mutually assured destruction! Definitely possible, but exceedingly rare.

Joey wrote:Also a squad blowing up a tank, then being killed in the explosion if they were the last two units left of either side.

Done this one.


Also had a single vortex grenade kill all the remaining models on the board.

SlaveToDorkness wrote:Due to the Wipeout! rule (BRB pg 90), technically you would both win.

This is 100% correct, in the case the OP mentioned you would both win the game.

You could also have a situation where the only remaining model is one that can kill himself.

For example, one army is totally destroyed and the other army only has Yriel (Eldar) left with a single wound. His "Doomed" ability triggers and he fails the save, killing him.

And, as others have said, both players would get a Win, not a Draw.

this type of game sound like if ever happend whould have been a ton of fun playing, and having a epic hq fight at the end.

I think both players should be given a loss, but I'm more of a glass is half empty kind of guy. After all, all of your stuff got killed, which is also in keeping with the Wiped Out rule in the BRB.

Never had this happen to me personally, but my brother and I have a friendly rivalry between our HQs, and thus far they almost always kill each other at the same time.

I'd place bets before the rolls were made It would be a legendary fight.
In answer to your question, I'd say it's a tie. Although it could be classed as you both winning/both losing.


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Unless that's what a tie is... Stupid me

kronk wrote:I think both players should be given a loss, but I'm more of a glass is half empty kind of guy. After all, all of your stuff got killed, which is also in keeping with the Wiped Out rule in the BRB.

Well the rules say that you both win in that case due to the wording of Wipeout on Page 90.

And remember the glass is always full, it is never half full or half empty, whatever is not filled with liquid is filled with air.

sounds like a draw to me

DeathReaper wrote:

kronk wrote:I think both players should be given a loss, but I'm more of a glass is half empty kind of guy. After all, all of your stuff got killed, which is also in keeping with the Wiped Out rule in the BRB.

Well the rules say that you both win in that case due to the wording of Wipeout on Page 90.

And remember the glass is always full, it is never half full or half empty, whatever is not filled with liquid is filled with air.

But air is a liquid.

And anyway, in these situations, the glass is twice as big as it needs to be.

templarsandorks? wrote:sounds like a draw to me

Please Re-read P.90 that says you win if your opponent has nothing left at the end of the game.

Since both opponents have nothing left both sides are wiped out, and both people win the game.

Shrike325 wrote:But air is a liquid.

And anyway, in these situations, the glass is twice as big as it needs to be.

Actually, air is a gas, not a liquid.

I think you meant to say air is a fluid, which is correct, but it is not a liquid.

Both players winning is a draw, as is both players losing.

It's a tie, meaning there is no clear winner both players have an equal result.

I've tied several 40K games in my time for several reasons, be it mutual destruction of last unit in CC, exploding vehicles taking things out, squad of Grotesques going berserk and dropping the remaining models on the field...

That is fine to call it a tie in a friendly game, but the rules clearly state that both players win in that case, which is a huge distinction in a tournament setting.

There is a clear winner, The rules say that both players have won, they are both clear winners according to the brb.

Yes, in WH40K, a Tie is a Double win, or a 1/1 and I understand it affects the game tournament wise. It's still a tie as it stands by definition.

In YuGiOh outside of Tournament play a Tie was a 1/1, which in your standard best 2outof3 format meant 2 draws and 1 win had it, but a Tournament Tie was 0/0.