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Hi, I was just wondering does the death ray require a line of site when shooting with it? The rules say that I can shoot the death ray any where within the 12", so what about keeping the model in cover behind a monolith and shoot enemies without them seeing you? So can I just shoot the death ray over the monolith?

Another thing I am not so sure about is the 12" rule, can I measure the 12" beafore I shoot? Or do I first have to dedicate the point the ray is starting from and If it is out of the 12" range the shooting attack does not happen?

What about the 3D6 rolling? Can I first roll the dices and then nominate the direction the ray is going to go or do I first have to nominate the point I am shooting and then roll 3D6 (if the shooting doesn't have enough range it wont happen?)?

In my oppinion the shooting rules of the death ray were kind of open to interpretation so I decided to ask, thx. Also sry for my bad english.

1. i dont know. Look in the Codex.
2. No. Its in the main rules. You have to choose who you want to shoot first, and then you measure.
3. The 3D6's are rolled after choosing your target and measuring.

thenoobbomb wrote:1. i dont know. Look in the Codex.
2. No. Its in the main rules. You have to choose who you want to shoot first, and then you measure.
3. The 3D6's are rolled after choosing your target and measuring.

1. I have but as I said "rules of the death ray were kind of open to interpretation"
2. But this weapon does't target a unit, it is targeted to ground.
3.The codex tells to "nominate a second point within 3D6 of the first" at least for me that is kind of unclear.

its pretty obvious that you roll the 3D6 first, and then nominate a point within the 3D6 distance.

Steps of firing death ray:

1. Check LOS and select target (in this case point on the ground)
2. Check range (ensure your selected point is withing 12 inches)
3. (until FAQd do not roll to hit) instead roll 3d6, nominate second point, and draw line
4. Roll to wound for each unit based on number of models under the line in that unit.
5. etc

to your questions:
1. until proven otherwise you need line of sight to the point you are shooting at, and that is all
2. Nowhere in the Death Ray rules does it say that it ignores the rules for shooting (or the rules for premeasuring)
3. It says pick a point and then pick a second point which is 3d6 away....i take that as roll the 3d6 after you pick the first point

Hi all,

Another question to add to the fray.

My mate has also recently discovered the OP ness of the Doom Scythe and we have come across sever questions of our own.

1. Can the Death Ray be shot into combat? As the shot isn't necessarily directed at a unit it can cross the path of those in melee.
2. The Doom Scythe doesn't specify the thickness of the of the line drawn. We have come to use the thickest margin of a flamer template as a goto.

Cheers guys,
Odinson

Odinson wrote:Hi all,

Another question to add to the fray.

My mate has also recently discovered the OP ness of the Doom Scythe and we have come across sever questions of our own.

1. Can the Death Ray be shot into combat? As the shot isn't necessarily directed at a unit it can cross the path of those in melee.
2. The Doom Scythe doesn't specify the thickness of the of the line drawn. We have come to use the thickest margin of a flamer template as a goto.

Cheers guys,
Odinson

1. It can be indirectly shot into combat. You pick an unengaged enemy squad behind the combat, and fire the DR. The line will be drawn though the combat, hitting the combatants, and into the target.

2 . No. You should be hit with a large block of cheese for suggesting that.

I think we all learned what a "Line" was in our first math classes.

A line. Not a bar, area, zone or "thinkness of a flame template".

Also, this should be in the rules forum....

I posted into a topic that had already begun...

Ok, I'm still not sure if hitting into combat is right. Its slapping the rules for shooting in the face.

As for the line comments, how is it linked to maths?? No where in the rule does it state the thickness of the line, allowing the Necron player to be as ridiculous as he likes and throw down a 20" line. No matter the thickness, a line is a line. Matt ward needs to start fleshing out these rules.

Odinson

Odinson wrote:
As for the line comments, how is it linked to maths?? No where in the rule does it state the thickness of the line, allowing the Necron player to be as ridiculous as he likes and throw down a 20" line. No matter the thickness, a line is a line. Matt ward needs to start fleshing out these rules.

'Line' in that context was being used as in terms of it's mathematical definition (as opposed to its other definition in regards to, say, people). It's clearly supposed to be a mathematical line. I'd say that it should be a line as thin as you can actually get it and still measure by. A tape measure would suffice - if needs must you can always use the thin edge.

A twenty inch wide line breaks the rules. You have to read using the context, yes, but it is there.

I sense we are making a call here...

OFF WE GO!

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PS-THe necrons have a gun called a Death Ray?

Seriously?

What were all the good names taken?

Not 'the eye of Ra' or 'the oblivion field'?

No, Death Ray...

Sigh...

Odinson wrote:I posted into a topic that had already begun...

Ok, I'm still not sure if hitting into combat is right. Its slapping the rules for shooting in the face.

The reason you can hit models in combat is because there is no 'target'. You're specifically not allowed to choose a target that is engaged. However, you're targetting the ground and anyone under the line suffers the effects.

Odinson wrote:As for the line comments, how is it linked to maths?? No where in the rule does it state the thickness of the line, allowing the Necron player to be as ridiculous as he likes and throw down a 20" line. No matter the thickness, a line is a line. Matt ward needs to start fleshing out these rules.

This line of reasoning is ridiculous. What kind of looks might you get across the table when you try to tell your opponent that you're laying down a 20" line? A line is a line. Not only that, but there is a precedent for similarly-worded rules:

Space Wolves FAQ wrote:Q. How wide is the line for the Jaws of the World Wolf
power? (p37)
A. It’s a hairline, it does not really have a specific
designated thickness. We like to turn our tape
measures on one side and use their edge, keeping it as
straight as possible of course.

Kid_Kyoto wrote:I sense we are making a call here...

OFF WE GO!

Whoosh!


Automatically Appended Next Post:
PS-THe necrons have a gun called a Death Ray?

Seriously?

What were all the good names taken?

Not 'the eye of Ra' or 'the oblivion field'?

No, Death Ray...

Sigh...

Heh, I like the Death Ray name...well, at least more than I like weapons being named "Tesla".

Between Tesla and Gauss weapons I was really hoping for an Edison Ray or maybe a Newton Cannon.

Kid_Kyoto wrote: Newton Cannon.

Wait for the Tau codex. It fires apples that explode on contact. Str. 8 Ap3 large blast. Just ask Ghost21.

Kid_Kyoto wrote:Between Tesla and Gauss weapons I was really hoping for an Edison Ray or maybe a Newton Cannon.

OffTopic: I'm enjoying Dystopian Wars right now. I play Covenant of Antarctica. Many of the units are named after classic scientists or philosophers.

OnTopic: A 20" wide line that is 3d6" long is called a rectangle.

Yes, you can use the DR to hit units that are in CC

If at all possible, I try for a litteral interpretation of a rules sequence. Thus, I have been nominating my point, then rolling 3d6, then picking a direction for the 2nd point.

I'm still on the fence about the pre-measuring 12" part. I haven't been, but I can see reasonable arguments for both interpretations.