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Just as an alternative to the Tau just rolling over and dying when the Tyranids decide to knock on their door again. Does anyone think that the Ethereals could end up having some sort of influence on the Tyranids? Ethereals have a calming influence on other races supposedly, so could that also effect the tyranids if it was the collected influence of the ethreals.

Or maybe the an ethereal becomes absorbed by the tyranids and then they gain some sort of power over the tau?

Also if none of that works I think that the Tau could evolve in some way under the threat of the tyranids. They already evolve ridiculously fast so why not evolve a way to keep from being killed by the tyranids?

No.

No, The Hive mind is a lot more powerful than any Ethereal. There is also a good bit of fluff in the Tyranid book, about a Hive fleet rapidly evolving and beating the Tau back at every corner. The only thing that ended up saving them was the Imperial Guard.

The Tau do not evolve ridiculously fast. They advanced fast because of the warp storms that formed around their territory so to them they advanced at a normal speed. To us it was extremely quick. And yes hive fleet Gorgon would have wiped them out had the ig nor stepped in.

Coolyo294 wrote:No.

I haven't seen one of your one word responses in a while....

Nice to see them again, it's a good feeling........

xXSir MontyXx wrote:The Tau do not evolve ridiculously fast. They advanced fast because of the warp storms that formed around their territory so to them they advanced at a normal speed. To us it was extremely quick. And yes hive fleet Gorgon would have wiped them out had the ig nor stepped in.

They adapt their technology quickly. The war against Gorgon had them matching Gorgons hyper fast evolution. Gorgon probably wouldn't have wiped out the Tau either - it was a relatively small hive fleet. But it would have done far more damage if they weren't stopped at their thrid world.

That said, no, Ethereals would not have a calming effect on the Tyranids. Ghorgon proved that. The Tau wouldn't be able to stop a major hive fleet either. There's simply not enough Tau. While their technology is good, they need the bodies to use it, and they don't have enough to stand against a major hive fleet.

-Loki- wrote:

xXSir MontyXx wrote:The Tau do not evolve ridiculously fast. They advanced fast because of the warp storms that formed around their territory so to them they advanced at a normal speed. To us it was extremely quick. And yes hive fleet Gorgon would have wiped them out had the ig nor stepped in.

They adapt their technology quickly. The war against Gorgon had them matching Gorgons hyper fast evolution. Gorgon probably wouldn't have wiped out the Tau either - it was a relatively small hive fleet. But it would have done far more damage if they weren't stopped at their thrid world.

That said, no, Ethereals would not have a calming effect on the Tyranids. Ghorgon proved that. The Tau wouldn't be able to stop a major hive fleet either. There's simply not enough Tau. While their technology is good, they need the bodies to use it, and they don't have enough to stand against a major hive fleet.

Wellbthey couldn't have been matching it to well, they were being pushed into hiding and every time they had a leg up. Gorgon simply mutated somehow. Ex: mucous layer for gargoyles, camkflauge scales for gaunts and hormagaunts, pulse resistant carapace e for everyone. Not to mention the verdant worlds the Tau have. They are like earth today with large cities. However they also have large oceans and lush jungles. The Tyranid would have had a feast for making new nids. They wouldn't have been considered a small fleet for long.

xXSir MontyXx wrote:Wellbthey couldn't have been matching it to well, they were being pushed into hiding and every time they had a leg up.

Not really. Every time the Tyranids adapted to Tau technology or tactics, they adjusted accordingly and pushed them back again. They lost gound because, well, everyone lsoes ground against a hive fleet. Fighting the initial push from a hive fleet is like standing in front of a wave holding your hands out and expecting it to stop.

xXSir MontyXx wrote:Gorgon simply mutated somehow. Ex: mucous layer for gargoyles, camkflauge scales for gaunts and hormagaunts, pulse resistant carapace e for everyone. Not to mention the verdant worlds the Tau have. They are like earth today with large cities. However they also have large oceans and lush jungles. The Tyranid would have had a feast for making new nids. They wouldn't have been considered a small fleet for long.

Gorgon mutated the same way any other hive fleet does. What made it different is it did it more often than any other hive fleet. Every time an attack was repulsed, they made all new creatures. Tau worlds may be rish with biomass, but Gorgon was burning through its biomass faster than any other hive fleet in order to keep mutating.

It was doing the wrong thing. You don't evolve to keep up with the Tau. You swamp them with bodies, since there aren't many Tau in the grand scheme of things. The problem is Gorgon was a small hive fleet, it didn't have the bodies to swamp the Tau with. If a major hive fleet ever swept through Tau space, they'd be royally screwed.

Well, so far the Tau held their own against the Nid invasion. However small it was and fought them back. They've also successfully repulsed ork waaaaaghs too.

No easy feat for anyone.

Celtic Strike wrote:Well, so far the Tau held their own against the Nid invasion. However small it was and fought them back. They've also successfully repulsed ork waaaaaghs too.

No easy feat for anyone.

Never underesitmate plot armour.

jdbled wrote:Just as an alternative to the Tau just rolling over and dying when the Tyranids decide to knock on their door again. Does anyone think that the Ethereals could end up having some sort of influence on the Tyranids? Ethereals have a calming influence on other races supposedly, so could that also effect the tyranids if it was the collected influence of the ethreals.

Or maybe the an ethereal becomes absorbed by the tyranids and then they gain some sort of power over the tau?

Also if none of that works I think that the Tau could evolve in some way under the threat of the tyranids. They already evolve ridiculously fast so why not evolve a way to keep from being killed by the tyranids?

This last two weeks are dedicated to Tau stomping as far as I see

The answer is: no. The Hive Mind is to powerful for any kind of creature to comprehend it. To the Tyranids Tau are only recourse to be consumed - nothing more.

The prospect of a new tau codex sure has a lot of threads.. tau this or tau that. Sudden tau enthusiasts are abound. If the Tau want to deal with the Hivemind on any level they need to get Tigerius into the greater good. Keep from be killed by nids? Sure evolve into machines like the necrons or hide in the warp with The Ruinous Powers. Otherwise stay outta the nids way. lol Best way to not be killed by a nid is stay away from them.

This last two weeks are dedicated to Tau stomping as far as I see

And yet the Tau and those who like them endure.

Coa, I know you are an Imperial Fanboi, but despite your best efforts, you will not remove Tau from the 40k fluff. Feel free to keep up the negative posting, whatever get's you off....

crazyK wrote:
And yet the Tau and those who like them endure.

Sure, tell that to the citizens of Ka'mais.

Coa, I know you are an Imperial Fanboi, but despite your best efforts, you will not remove Tau from the 40k fluff. Feel free to keep up the negative posting, whatever get's you off....

Remove Tau from 40k fluff...? Never, they are just to awesome To who could I then charge my Guardsman with bayonet and win?

Brother Coa wrote:

crazyK wrote:
And yet the Tau and those who like them endure.

Sure, tell that to the citizens of Ka'mais.

Coa, I know you are an Imperial Fanboi, but despite your best efforts, you will not remove Tau from the 40k fluff. Feel free to keep up the negative posting, whatever get's you off....

Remove Tau from 40k fluff...? Never, they are just to awesome To who could I then charge my Guardsman with bayonet and win?

To do that you need to actually play the game, otherwise you have never won against anyone.

Soo'Vah'Cha wrote:
To do that you need to actually play the game, otherwise you have never won against anyone.

Dawn of War from original to Soulstorm to DoW II.
I even killed Avatar of Kaine with Fire Warrior on melee.

DOW andDOW II regardless of how nice and pretty of a game it is, is nothing like the tabletop game where the fluff you love so much springs from.

Apart from basic ideas and alot of cool pictures it shares very , very few actual mechanics (other than math ) with the good ole TT game.

Try that and your world may open up a bit.

Brother Coa wrote:This last two weeks are dedicated to Tau stomping as far as I see

The answer is: no. The Hive Mind is to powerful for any kind of creature to comprehend it. To the Tyranids Tau are only recourse to be consumed - nothing more.

Tigurius would beg to differ....lol just kidding.

In all seriousness, no the Ethereals, or any other Tau for that matter, would be able to have any effect on the Hive Mind or any psychically attuned being due to their biology. The Tau are in fact inversely psychic giving them a little-bit of resistance to the Warp.

bombboy1252 wrote:

Coolyo294 wrote:No.

I haven't seen one of your one word responses in a while....

Nice to see them again, it's a good feeling........

I agree

Brother Coa wrote:This last two weeks are dedicated to Tau stomping as far as I see

Just so my stance is understood, I'm not Tau stomping. I actually like the Tau. They're a genuinely different race in a game full of superhumans and the odd alien.

However, they're not going to legitimately stand against any significant force deployed against them without a lot of plot armour. Their empire of ~100 worlds is tiny. Their fighting force is tiny compared to the other major players in the fluff. Standing against a major hive fleet, waagh, crusade, black crusade, etc is just not going to happen without plot armour rearing its head.

That's not to say all of the other races don't have their fair share of plot armour, particularly the Imperium. But that's not a discussion for a thread about the Tau.

-Loki- wrote:

Brother Coa wrote:This last two weeks are dedicated to Tau stomping as far as I see

Just so my stance is understood, I'm not Tau stomping. I actually like the Tau. They're a genuinely different race in a game full of superhumans and the odd alien.

However, they're not going to legitimately stand against any significant force deployed against them without a lot of plot armour. Their empire of ~100 worlds is tiny. Their fighting force is tiny compared to the other major players in the fluff. Standing against a major hive fleet, waagh, crusade, black crusade, etc is just not going to happen without plot armour rearing its head.

That's not to say all of the other races don't have their fair share of plot armour, particularly the Imperium. But that's not a discussion for a thread about the Tau.

People always say that the Tau are a tiny race with only a couple hundred worlds. What about the Eldar? How many Craftworlds/Exodite Worlds are there? I don't there can be many if they're a dying race.

But they (Eldar) are not all in one place. They can't be taken out by one hive fleet unless that fleet destroys the galaxy...Which is very possible.

An aun won't be mind controlling a hive fleet. In fact it would be more likely to work the other way. The nids eat an aun and then use that to make a creature that can mind control the tau.

Anything to let me field firewarrors with carnfex

Short answer..no A Tau ethereal controling the hivemind after being absorbed by it is silly, you may bang your head upon the floor until forgiven....

Its not for certain how or even if the ethereals "control/influance" the other castes, and it is likely a more cultural thing, so there would be no advantage either way for Tau or tyranid, it would be merely biomass, maybe with a slight blue tinge to it.

Off topic but I like necron sms better.. or necron assimilating eldar/tau tech..

Celtic Strike wrote:Well, so far the Tau held their own against the Nid invasion. However small it was and fought them back. They've also successfully repulsed ork waaaaaghs too.

No easy feat for anyone.

By "Hold their own" You mean only with the help of the imperial guard they were able to repel Gorgon? Games Workshop isn't going to kill off the Tau, but it can sure make them take a beating.

Off topic but I like necron sms better.. or necron assimilating eldar/tau tech..

Why would the Necrons assimilate inferior technology?

nomotog wrote:An aun won't be mind controlling a hive fleet. In fact it would be more likely to work the other way. The nids eat an aun and then use that to make a creature that can mind control the tau.

Anything to let me field firewarrors with carnfex

Yeah, there's a key misunderstanding in the OP for what happens when you are 'assimilated' by the Tyranids. It's a nice way of saying 'broken down at the genetic level to a colourless gruel and fed back into the hive ships. The DNA is sorted through by the norn queens for anything useful, and the biomass is used to grow into new Tyranids.

You don't actually get brought up there and offered a job.

Sasori wrote:

Celtic Strike wrote:Well, so far the Tau held their own against the Nid invasion. However small it was and fought them back. They've also successfully repulsed ork waaaaaghs too.

No easy feat for anyone.

By "Hold their own" You mean only with the help of the imperial guard they were able to repel Gorgon? Games Workshop isn't going to kill off the Tau, but it can sure make them take a beating.

Off topic but I like necron sms better.. or necron assimilating eldar/tau tech..

Why would the Necrons assimilate inferior technology?

Cause then I have an excuse to have models beable to be 2 armies instead of shelling out more for models.

Best thing about my chaos daemons.

Tau assimilate races that willing to negotiate. Diplomacy doesn't work on Nids.

acekevin8412 wrote:
People always say that the Tau are a tiny race with only a couple hundred worlds. What about the Eldar? How many Craftworlds/Exodite Worlds are there? I don't there can be many if they're a dying race.

Just to make sure:

-Eldar Empire was HUGE, they Terraformed many worlds during their gold time. Many of those world were destroyed but many still exist. Remember that even if Imperium have around 1.000.000 worlds it is still small when compared toward Ork worlds or worlds in the galaxy itself.
-Eldar, even if they are dying race, probably outnumber the Tau. Their Craftworlds are massive ( planet size ships, and I am talking like Earth and Jupiter size ) and they have unknown number of Exodite worlds. They are dying because they don't have a lot of children and are losing more warriors to fights then they are concentrating to repopulate.


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Sasori wrote:

Off topic but I like necron sms better.. or necron assimilating eldar/tau tech..

Why would the Necrons assimilate inferior technology?

Resources?


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SabrX wrote:Tau assimilate races that willing to negotiate. Diplomacy doesn't work on Nids.

Maybe because Tyranids are big bugs who only have drive to kill things?