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The mok warriors with ahw sounds and looks pretty good on paper but if you want to deal damage go with halberds instead it makes it easier to wound most things and the whole unit uses it not just the first rank.
5 chosen is not worth it. You have too few of them. Either get around the 15+ range then they are worth it.
The lord has no ward might want to give him one of those since he has points left.
No bsb?
A bsb is really good to have and I think it's almost a requirement because they do so much for your army.
You also have no magic defence a lvl2 caster would be really useful.
The war banner is nice on the tz warriors but the rapturous standard is cheaper and is oh so worth it.
I know that I have listed a lot but if you can keep those hounds they are quite useful.
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Overview of the WoC army book.
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/388667.page#3171854 Ralin Givens is the chaos to my warriors. Ra Ra Ra go team awesome I mean chaos Tzack Vahr Zhen's unholy followers.
all hail Howie Mandel deal or no deal it dosnt matter tzeentch wins
Khorne flakes part of a good breakfast when you plan to kill maim and burn all!!!
Agreed, the list certainly has issues to address. I think I would drop the chosen entirely, then use their points to add +6 warriors to each of those three units, drop all their champs, mark the knights khorne and find a musician, drop their expensive magic standard, drop the razor standard, and strangle the lord for points (and get rid of his Stupidity check) to afford a level 2 wizard, so you can participate in a significant part of 8th edition's game play.
Which, coincidentally, looks like this when I get through:
Chaos Lord - MoK, sword of swift slaying, charmed shield, ironcurse icon, juggernaut = 310
Lord is weak on defense and fairly vulnerable to being sniped ... but whatever, slam him and his knights in fast and get killing pronto. Warriors stomp the line, with (rapturous) tizz warriors bunkering the mage until it's time to propel themselves into combat as well.
If you're deadset against wizards, use his points to pick up a cheapo BSB instead
Hello! I also play a 'full plate army' and like many of your ideas... However you should be aware of potentially hamstringing yourself if you are going to keep the current format.
First, I think you are too divided in purpose, you don't have the ranged damage to be static, nor do you have enough speed to cross the field without taking massive casualties.
Since your lord has a monstrous mount he will not be able to hide in the knights :( (boo, hiss!) I would downgrade him to a hero level char, invest in a decent save and the charmed shield and use him to roll a weak flank/protect your sloggers from being marchblocked... Personally i would then go with a hero tz Mage and a bsb (If your blocks fail you lose... so the static res and rerolls on break checks/khorn psychology manipulation are much more valuable to this format), but a lord Mage could be argued into the picture instead... Ranged damage is a weakness of our army and should be supplimented by strong/decent magic, IMO.
I would drop the ahw block, fix your character situation/equipment to whatever you determine, and add either 1. Another hell cannon 2. A unit of monstrous infantry 3. Another unit of knights.
The first if you prefer to dole out ranged damage, and the later two if yould rather get steel to face in a speedier and more diverse/efficient manner
Automatically Appended Next Post: Edit: also I agree with all of Jefe Salvages comments, about composition, and my edits are based on his much more competetive list. Chosen are good, and a "Chosenstar" is one of the most feared combat units, however The game mechanics require units larger than 5 for that much of an invesment in points
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Fantasy: 4000 - WoC, 1500 - VC, 1500 - Beastmen
40k: 2000 - White Scars
Hordes: 5/100 - Circle of Orboros
Overview of the WoC army book.
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/388667.page#3171854 Ralin Givens is the chaos to my warriors. Ra Ra Ra go team awesome I mean chaos Tzack Vahr Zhen's unholy followers.
all hail Howie Mandel deal or no deal it dosnt matter tzeentch wins
Khorne flakes part of a good breakfast when you plan to kill maim and burn all!!!
Thanks for all the responses. Here is a revised list which will hopefully address some of the issues (it's based largely around Boss Salvages list, sorry for the blatant theft)
Chaos Sorcerer lvl 2, Charmed Shield, Spell Familiar, Talisman of Endurance, MoT = 190 pts
Exalted Hero, Charmed Shield, Sword of Swift Slaying, Talisman of Protection, MoK, Juggernaut of Khorne = 220
18 Chaos Warriors, Musician, Standard Bearer, MoT, Shields, Banner of Eternal Flame = 336
18 Chaos Warriors, Musician, Standard Bearer, MoK, Halberds & Shields, Rap Standard = 374
18 Chaos Warriors, Musician, Standard Bearer, MoK, AHW = 336
5 Hounds = 30
5 Hounds = 30
5 Chaos Knights, Musician, Standard Bearer, MoK, Banner of Swiftness = 275
1 Hellcannon = 205
Total = 1996
With the sorcerer i have given him MoT, does that mean that i must use the Lore of Tzeentch or will i still be able to use Death or Fire if i choose?
When it comes to magic i'm remarkably clueless, so would the Lore really matter or can i ditch the mark from the sorcerer and get another Rap Standard for the AHW Warriors?
No worries on using the list I posted, I did make it to help you out On the new list, I'm not sure that it benefits much over the list I posted - mostly you have a lot more protection on your sorcerer (+ tizz magic), a less killy (but more points efficient) juggernaut, no LD9 general, and +1M (and +1CR) on the knights. Regardless, there's a legal issue: you can only take one charmed shield, which I'd probably keep on the juggernaut, unless you want to give him sword of swift slaying + dawnstone, and then give his unit the blasted standard? Doesn't give him much vs cannon snipes (5+ ward from the banner) but it's pretty awesome vs everything else (rerolled 1+ armor ftw). You would need to do some trimming to fit these in but it might work if the sorcerer loses the e.talisman ...
You also can't duplicate the rap standard, and you should also keep it on the tizz guys with shields, as they are built more to hold (with 3/5+ save) and grind then tear things to tiny pieces like the khorne halberds. There might be some sense in making the AHW khorne guys flaming instead of the halberd guys (for rerolled wounds in houses and a leg-up vs regen things), but in reality most things with regen are T4-5, which halberds are simply better at killing.
On your lore question, yes he must take Lore of Tzeentch if he has that mark. It's not a bad lore, extremely offensive with unfortunately no augment for your troops, but do be sure to take a spell familiar or third eye so you can maximize your spell options
- Salvage
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I'm still getting to grips with the nuts and bolts of the game so i'm bound to make many more mistakes along the way so thanks for pointing those out. The swiftness banner was put in the knights as i had some points to spare and wasn't sure where else to throw them.
I'll have another read of the Chaos rules and BRB with regards to magic items and use of magic and see what i can trim to get me some more points.
The thing that dissapoints me is this is a 2k army and no bsb that can get pretty rough. A bsb can be cheaper than 200 and buff you army a rediculous ammount.
One unlucky roll and your down a block of warriors.
Why not try a lvl4 and a bsb.
Yes it will cost some points but there are a lot of upsides.
You get 4 spells rather than not 4 spells.
Plus 4 to cast +5 if mot and you get +4 to dispell.
The bsb is a hero so he is no push over.
You get ld re rolls incase something goes bad.
The reroll withthe rap standard is awesome.
You could cut out the knights and still have a solid army that would have more magic offense and or defense as well as a bsb who provides re rolls and is a cc monster.
Overview of the WoC army book.
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/388667.page#3171854 Ralin Givens is the chaos to my warriors. Ra Ra Ra go team awesome I mean chaos Tzack Vahr Zhen's unholy followers.
all hail Howie Mandel deal or no deal it dosnt matter tzeentch wins
Khorne flakes part of a good breakfast when you plan to kill maim and burn all!!!
Because every single WoC army tends to have just a level 4 and a BSB, and none of the various fighty characters or Special units or Rare monsters or so on? They say that variety is the spice of life ... unless you play a chaos army (this goes for DoC and, to a small extent, beasts as well)
That said, 8th edition without a BSB is rough, though I think if any living army (i.e. not undead or demons) can do it it's WoC, thanks to panic rerolls, MoK and generally not losing combats.
- Salvage
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I'm notsaying dint take fighty stuff I'm just saying got your self covered in magic defense and bsb awesomeness.
I personally would love to run fighty characters and monsters down side is I don't have the models. I would love to field a shaggoth or a giant but not having those models makes it difficult.
Even if I had the models i would still field a sorcerer and a bsb because there are a ton of cool chaos models out there and magic is just to use.
Overview of the WoC army book.
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/388667.page#3171854 Ralin Givens is the chaos to my warriors. Ra Ra Ra go team awesome I mean chaos Tzack Vahr Zhen's unholy followers.
all hail Howie Mandel deal or no deal it dosnt matter tzeentch wins
Khorne flakes part of a good breakfast when you plan to kill maim and burn all!!!
I do like the list its just the ability to loose a unit of warriors if you roll badly once.
Dont you also play an all monster list?
Also I am not saying the list boss wrote is bad.
Overview of the WoC army book.
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/388667.page#3171854 Ralin Givens is the chaos to my warriors. Ra Ra Ra go team awesome I mean chaos Tzack Vahr Zhen's unholy followers.
all hail Howie Mandel deal or no deal it dosnt matter tzeentch wins
Khorne flakes part of a good breakfast when you plan to kill maim and burn all!!!
It is true still mok and mos dont help if you had bad luck and got beaten in cc and failed your break test.
That is the thing that makes me worry because we all know how those little cubes like doing their own thing every now and then.
Overview of the WoC army book.
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/388667.page#3171854 Ralin Givens is the chaos to my warriors. Ra Ra Ra go team awesome I mean chaos Tzack Vahr Zhen's unholy followers.
all hail Howie Mandel deal or no deal it dosnt matter tzeentch wins
Khorne flakes part of a good breakfast when you plan to kill maim and burn all!!!
Tzack Vahr Zhen's unholy followers.
Khorne flakes part of a good breakfast when you plan to kill maim and burn all!!!
Do you have enough Priests do you? 
On the new list, I'm not sure that it benefits much over the list I posted - mostly you have a lot more protection on your sorcerer (+ tizz magic), a less killy (but more points efficient) juggernaut, no LD9 general, and +1M (and +1CR) on the knights. Regardless, there's a legal issue: you can only take one charmed shield, which I'd probably keep on the juggernaut, unless you want to give him sword of swift slaying + dawnstone, and then give his unit the blasted standard? Doesn't give him much vs cannon snipes (5+ ward from the banner) but it's pretty awesome vs everything else (rerolled 1+ armor 
