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ooh quite beardy... "mind blown"

it shows the value of thinking laterally from a tactical standpoint...


the necron codex will need a lot of FAQ action before I commit to buying models at Australian prices

schadenfreude wrote:
Does hunters from hyperspace apply to court characters or IC inside a squad of deathmarks?

Codex says the to wound bonus applies to all UNITS of deathmarks, if the court character is in the unit, it applies to the whole unit.

Not just the unit that placed the mark, not all deathmarks (as an individual soldier each), but all UNITS of deathmarks.

PS: can a court character deep strike with the deathmarks?

schadenfreude wrote:
Does Redeployment with grand illusion allow deathmarks to place another token?

This one is the dangerous one that could be FAQd

schadenfreude wrote:
Does the Abyssal staff ID based on Toughness or Leadership?

For once, RAI is pretty clear because, while it is STR8, the Abyssal staff cannot hurt vehicles.... as written in the codex...

so, if it can't damage vehicles, and it wounds based on leadership, why is it STR8??

STR8 would be redundant then. It should be Str X like some of the exotic DE weapons entries (like DE flyer missiles)

Dodgywop wrote:
I'm confused.......

Having read the SW FAQ text... one word, precedence.




What does the BGB FAQ say precisely? How is it worded?

Read the Deathmarks entry again. The Crytek is attached to the Deathmarks unit, the wording is that the UNIT wounds on a 2+, so ergo the Cryptek wounds on a 2+. It's not just "synaptic degenerators"

rigeld2 wrote:DE FAQ, page 3, 4th question on the left.

Q: When using Asdrubael Vect's Obsidian Orbs or the Orbs of Despair, do you use the target's Toughness or Leadership for the purposes of working out if Instant Death applies? (p55)
A: You use the target's Leadership.

The orbs wound on Leadership, and models without a Leadership value are unaffected. The Abyssal Staff will likely be FAQed the same way.

Fair point.

I think I understand the RAI now. The STR value is used against leadership to determine the chance of wounding.


So the abyss staff is Str 8, so against a Ld 8 model, they wound on a 4+

Obsidian Orbs are Str 10, so against a Ld 10 model they wound on a 4+

In short, Toughness is substituted for Ld in the calculation




So yes, very high chance it will be FAQd away. Wouldn't it be better to use a Tremorstave on the Crytek because of the blast marker?

azazel the cat wrote:\I recognize that RAI may be otherwise, and this may get FAQ'd away, but at present RAI must take a backseat to RAW, because RAW are indisputable, whereas RAI is subjective.

Agree on all points, except this observation

RAW or not

I wouldn't drop money into Deathmarks if this would be FAQd away because I pay Australian prices for models (esp since they closed maelstrom's sales outside the EU)

ShadarLogoth wrote:
Ew:

10 Deathmarks 190
Veil Tek 65
Lord w/Gaunts/MSS/RO 85

^^^Very nasty unit.

Is the abyssal staff still useful?

FAQ:

Q: When using an abyssal staff, do you use the target’s
Toughness or Leadership for the purposes of working
out if Instant Death applies? (p84)
A: You use the target’s Leadership.

Munga wrote:As someone who sucked it up playing necrons by the old codex I found deathmarks extremely interesting. This, however, seems pretty broken. I haven't even had a chance to buy the models yet, and people have found loopholes. This is so cruel that it is going to be fixed as an errata. Really, it's worded all wrong, but you know that's not what was intended. Don't be TFG, unless you are trying to play in the forementioned (and completely fictional) cheese league.

This is legal, because it was not mentioned in the very recent Necron FAQ update.

There were many nerfs in the recent FAQ updates for all armies, but this one was not mentioned. They even mentioned ID with the abyssal staff, and whether characters without DS can DS with Deathmarks (they can't). But they did not mention the interaction between Grand Illusion and HTH.



They are the RAW, and neither you are I are capable of telepathy or have a patch in to the mind of the designer. If you wish to play like a scrub, that is your choice.