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2011/12/17 20:18:14
Subject: Renegade NOT chaos
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Bounding Assault Marine
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is there a difference , I am trying to work on a fluff for a design that doesn't follow chaos , but will not kowtow to the Imperium.
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2011/12/17 20:23:21
Subject: Renegade NOT chaos
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Hellacious Havoc
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2011/12/17 21:12:16
Subject: Renegade NOT chaos
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Gore-Soaked Lunatic Witchhunter
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One can be declared renegade without falling to Chaos; disobedience, suspicion of corruption, and possibly xeno-sympathizing are likely causes.
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2011/12/17 21:14:56
Subject: Renegade NOT chaos
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Maddening Mutant Boss of Chaos
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ADB's Night Lords are more renegade than chaos...
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Veteran Sergeant wrote:Oh wait. His fluff, at this point, has him coming to blows with Lionel, Angryon, Magnus, and The Emprah.  One can only assume he went into the Eye of Terror because he still hadn't had a chance to punch enough Primarchs yet.
Albatross wrote:I guess we'll never know. That is, until Frazzled releases his long-awaited solo album 'Touch My Weiner'. Then we'll know.
warboss wrote:I marvel at their ability to shoot the entire foot off with a shotgun instead of pistol shooting individual toes off like most businesses would.
Mr Nobody wrote:Going to war naked always seems like a good idea until someone trips on gravel.
Ghidorah wrote: You need to quit hating and trying to control other haters hating on other people's hobbies that they are trying to control.
ShumaGorath wrote:Posting in a thread where fat nerds who play with toys make fun of fat nerds who wear costumes outdoors.
Marshal2Crusaders wrote:Good thing it wasn't attacked by the EC, or it would be the assault on Magnir's Crack.
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2011/12/17 21:31:30
Subject: Renegade NOT chaos
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Bounding Assault Marine
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ADB ? sorry I dont do acronyms
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2011/12/17 21:33:33
Subject: Renegade NOT chaos
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Executing Exarch
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Synthetik wrote:ADB ? sorry I dont do acronyms
Aaron Dembski-Bowden
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DS:90-S+G++M--B--I+Pw40k05#+D++A++/eWD324R++T(D)DM+ |
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2011/12/17 21:38:08
Subject: Renegade NOT chaos
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Bounding Assault Marine
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thanks
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2011/12/17 21:43:33
Subject: Renegade NOT chaos
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Executing Exarch
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No bother!
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2011/12/17 21:52:37
Subject: Re:Renegade NOT chaos
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Insect-Infested Nurgle Chaos Lord
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There's a good example in the current codex.
It's near the start, goes something like this;
System Rebellion > Space Marine Strike-force > Rebellion quelled > Marines kill unworthy imperial commanders > Marines take charge of the System > Stop paying Imperial Tithes > Marines fall to Chaos
Just stop at the point at which the Marines turn to chaos.
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2011/12/17 22:20:07
Subject: Renegade NOT chaos
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Tough-as-Nails Ork Boy
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"Some within the Chapter think that the Imperium should be destroyed for the good of mankind."
I think I like this chapter.
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2011/12/17 22:47:42
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Shepherd
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Someone needs to make the arachnid libby!
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The enemy of my enemy is a bastard so lets kill him too.
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2011/12/18 00:17:34
Subject: Renegade NOT chaos
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Renegade Inquisitor de Marche
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I saw a model of him complete with a removable bionic leg...
It was badass.
Though as of Hellforged...
Well lets say collecting a complete chapter of them wouldn't be too hard...
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Dakka Bingo! By Ouze
"You are the best at flying things"-Kanluwen
"Further proof that Purple is a fething brilliant super villain " -KingCracker
"Purp.. Im pretty sure I have a gun than can reach you...."-Nicorex
"That's not really an apocalypse. That's just Europe."-Grakmar
"almost as good as winning free cake at the tea drinking contest for an Englishman." -Reds8n
Seal up your lips and give no words but mum.
Equip, Reload. Do violence.
Watch for Gerry. |
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2011/12/18 00:19:08
Subject: Renegade NOT chaos
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Shepherd
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What did they use to make his legs?
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The enemy of my enemy is a bastard so lets kill him too.
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0020/12/18 00:19:57
Subject: Renegade NOT chaos
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Renegade Inquisitor de Marche
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I think green stuff and tyranid bits...
It was a while ago.
If i find it again i'll PM it too you.
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Dakka Bingo! By Ouze
"You are the best at flying things"-Kanluwen
"Further proof that Purple is a fething brilliant super villain " -KingCracker
"Purp.. Im pretty sure I have a gun than can reach you...."-Nicorex
"That's not really an apocalypse. That's just Europe."-Grakmar
"almost as good as winning free cake at the tea drinking contest for an Englishman." -Reds8n
Seal up your lips and give no words but mum.
Equip, Reload. Do violence.
Watch for Gerry. |
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2011/12/18 00:45:05
Subject: Renegade NOT chaos
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Shepherd
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purplefood wrote:I think green stuff and tyranid bits...
It was a while ago.
If i find it again i'll PM it too you.
Thatd be very cool, thanx
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The enemy of my enemy is a bastard so lets kill him too.
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2011/12/18 00:51:22
Subject: Renegade NOT chaos
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Frenzied Berserker Terminator
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I've seen one, its pretty boss. Legs were made from choppygaunt arms and good 'ol GS.
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Veteran Sergeant wrote:In the grim darkness of the far future, the guy with a rifle is the weakest man on the battlefield, left to quake in terror, hoping the two or three shots he gets do the job before somebody runs screaming across the battlefield to hit him with an energized stick.
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/440996.page
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2011/12/18 11:57:00
Subject: Renegade NOT chaos
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Renegade Inquisitor de Marche
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Draigo wrote:purplefood wrote:I think green stuff and tyranid bits...
It was a while ago.
If i find it again i'll PM it too you.
Thatd be very cool, thanx
I'll try and find it for you...
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Dakka Bingo! By Ouze
"You are the best at flying things"-Kanluwen
"Further proof that Purple is a fething brilliant super villain " -KingCracker
"Purp.. Im pretty sure I have a gun than can reach you...."-Nicorex
"That's not really an apocalypse. That's just Europe."-Grakmar
"almost as good as winning free cake at the tea drinking contest for an Englishman." -Reds8n
Seal up your lips and give no words but mum.
Equip, Reload. Do violence.
Watch for Gerry. |
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2011/12/19 22:14:50
Subject: Renegade NOT chaos
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Hellacious Havoc
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purplefood wrote:Draigo wrote:purplefood wrote:I think green stuff and tyranid bits...
It was a while ago.
If i find it again i'll PM it too you.
Thatd be very cool, thanx
I'll try and find it for you...
http://www.facebook.com/groups/2441112938/
plenty of examples on here i believe
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2011/12/19 23:26:20
Subject: Renegade NOT chaos
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Manhunter
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Sooner or later all renegades fall to chaos, so no you cant be renegade and choas free.
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2011/12/19 23:37:54
Subject: Renegade NOT chaos
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Fireknife Shas'el
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Not necessarily. As much as the Imperium touts that notion, it is entirely possible to think for yourself. Also, considering their stance on the current Imperium, they are one of the few that wouldn't be destroyed by an awakened Emperor after he leaned of what the Imperium has been doing in his name.
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2011/12/20 00:54:38
Subject: Renegade NOT chaos
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Norn Queen
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ObliviousBlueCaboose wrote:Sooner or later all renegades fall to chaos, so no you cant be renegade and choas free.
Not true at all. Renegade just meaqns you did something to make the Imperium declare you a renegade. It has nothing to do with falling to Chaos, and doesn't inevitably lead to it. It just means, well, them and the Imperium aren't friends anymore.
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2011/12/20 01:31:52
Subject: Renegade NOT chaos
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Daemonic Dreadnought
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ObliviousBlueCaboose wrote:Sooner or later all renegades fall to chaos, so no you cant be renegade and choas free.
I lol'd, oblivious fits you well.
Anyway many chapters that go renegade and not chaos do so because they are disillusioned with how the Imperium operates.
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Gods? There are no gods. Merely existences, obstacles to overcome.
"And what if I told you the Wolves tried to bring a Legion to heel once before? What if that Legion sent Russ and his dogs running, too ashamed to write down their defeat in Imperial archives?" - ADB |
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2011/12/20 02:09:08
Subject: Renegade NOT chaos
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Manhunter
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King Pariah wrote:ObliviousBlueCaboose wrote:Sooner or later all renegades fall to chaos, so no you cant be renegade and choas free.
I lol'd, oblivious fits you well.
Anyway many chapters that go renegade and not chaos do so because they are disillusioned with how the Imperium operates.
Just stating the imperial dogma.
Come to think of it i can only think of renegades who are chaos. What chapters arnt chaos?
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2011/12/20 02:56:58
Subject: Renegade NOT chaos
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Nasty Nob on a Boar
Inside of a CRASSUS ARMOURED ASSAULT TRANSPORT
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Soul Drinkers and Knights of Blood come to mind
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You take a dump, you flip through the Dark Eldar codex, the concept art for Lelith Hesperax shows up and you pee on the floor.
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2011/12/20 03:38:41
Subject: Renegade NOT chaos
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Daemonic Dreadnought
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Also Flame Falcons, possibly Thunder Barons, Sons of Vengeance (though will probably fall to chaos if not already, it's unclear if they have or haven't), Silver Guards (same as Sons of Vengeance), Relictors and that's all I can think of.
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Gods? There are no gods. Merely existences, obstacles to overcome.
"And what if I told you the Wolves tried to bring a Legion to heel once before? What if that Legion sent Russ and his dogs running, too ashamed to write down their defeat in Imperial archives?" - ADB |
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2011/12/21 13:09:05
Subject: Re:Renegade NOT chaos
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Lone Wolf Sentinel Pilot
Sitting on the roof of my house with a shotgun, and a six pack of beers
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It doesn't even have to be whole chapters, Individual marines who fail and rather face retribution run, or marines who fall from grace or develop a personality trait not picked up or Ironed out by marine brainwashing process.
I'm sure there are numerous references in fluff to marine corsair groups. Not sure if this is the best example but in the Ultra marine books there is a group, admitedly the leader does end up turning to chaos but thats only after all his band are killed.
Marines are people to, not normal people but still, internal politics happen (salamader books anyone).
Also, sorry if this is wrong, weren't the 23rd founding declared renegade due to defects in the geneseed rather than chaos taint?
You could make your marines a corsair group made up of individuals rather than a cohesive chapter. it would allow for a lot of painting, modelling and fluff options
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2011/12/22 14:19:30
Subject: Re:Renegade NOT chaos
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Storm Trooper with Maglight
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it doent matter if they are Renegade or Chaos they will all die the same way.
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2011/12/22 15:18:38
Subject: Renegade NOT chaos
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Willing Inquisitorial Excruciator
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Just remember to reflect the negatives of such a situation. This is one of those concepts that can be really cool or really crappy depending on how you do it. It is a thin line between cool concept and mary sue chapter.
Losing the imperial infrastructure, recruiting worlds, having your fellow chapters turn on your, the inquisition, navy, and guard should make life HARD. You need to think about equipment failure (do they raid for new equipment, or do they just go without and have to deal with inadequate supplies). How do they replenish their numbers (kidnapping? Impersonating? Or are they just dwindling?). How are they handling being hounded by the inquisition and their fellow chapters? Why did they fall from grace? (you really need some negatives here, either pride on their part or things just going VERY badly for them)
A fully functional renegade chapter with all their equipment, full numbers, virtuous, governing their own system is something that is to be avoided at all costs.
For virtue and independence to be interesting there needs to be a COST, and no where is this more true than in 40k where the cost is so often too high to pay. If you make a chapter that has all the benefits of being free thinking and humanitarian without demonstrating the cost your fluff will be reviled by most players, and rightly so, as it flies in the face of almost everything most people love about 40k.
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2011/12/22 18:52:03
Subject: Re:Renegade NOT chaos
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Ravager
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Arent the knights of blood renegade but not chaos i swear i read it some where that they still flock to the battlefeild to battle chaos or something
Found it
Search Knights of blood on lexicanums website id post the link but its not working for some reason.
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So what did a squad of Fire Dragons say to the ork stompa?
MUhahahahah Apocaliptic Explosion!!!  
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2011/12/22 19:15:09
Subject: Renegade NOT chaos
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Blood Angel Neophyte Undergoing Surgeries
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The Mantis Warriors were declared renegades, then received the Emperor's Forgiveness and sent on a penitence crusade to redeem their honour.
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