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Now that i have your attention, feel free to post here on what you would like to see in the apparently impending codex for the templars,

Personally, id like to see more tanks to be used, or maybe just a whirlwind, or maybe thunder hawks becoming available. Also maybe the addition of hero's outside of Helbrecht and Grimualdus, I mean don't get me wrong there both badass, but it feels kind of lacking. Also i would like to see Neophytes becoming a bit more viable as a option rather then just a meat shield, maybe giving them infiltrate, with snipers, or melta bombs (Not Really) thats all i got for now, so some input from you all would be excellent.

Wrong forum, wishlisting goes in general. Also, "more characters and stuff the newer Marine codices have" is kinda pointless to wishlist, it's happening anyway.

Also, Infiltrate on Neophytes isn't happening either, because they're part of the Crusader Squads. You're not going to be allowed to infiltrate a massive blob of Space Marines and their squires, and since Neophytes aren't fielded independently that's a no-go too. Thunderhawks aren't happening any time soon either. Whirlwinds should already be in the book, but GW took them out because ketchup.

I also vehemently oppose the title "Rise of the Black Templars". "Rise" requires the Black Templars to have been down, after all!

...Ketchup?

So you want to templars to be able to field a whirlwind, something which isn't worth taking in any other codex? Want them to be able to field Thunderhawks, the apocalypse unit? Want more special characters? Want Neophytes to leave crusade squads and becoming their own units, against the established lore of the black templars?

Whirlwind might happen, but even if it did i doubt it would be worth taking. honestly if i was playing a templar player and they asked to use one from codex marines, i'd let them, their loss.
Thunderhawk, no way. Stormraven, maybe.
Special characters will happen, guaranteed.
Neophytes should remain in crusader squads and shouldn't be viable on their own, scouts are scouts; they should support the marines. tops i could see them becoming like the dark angels scouts which if iirc have marine statline excluding armor.

Overall, I wouldn't be too excited about these changes if they happened.

So, how about contributing things one would like to see, in addition to shooting down the OP's suggestions?

Personally, I'm not knowledgeable enough about the tabletop meta-game to put fourth any real suggestions, but I'd like for the Black Templars to be more viable as a melee army and less as a gunline, as the fluff says they are.

alright, where to start,

@almighty walrus, My bad wasn't sure where to post this, saw the wishlist for the guard codex so thought i was good, also, i meant like specialized Neophytes, you know like sneak in knife some people and die, i don't think i meant thunderhawks, i meant stormreavens and as @sekai said, ....Ketchup? and also "And no matter how far we fall we will rise higher each time."

@Joetaco, I will concede i thought it was better then the vindicator, but i was wrong, as i said i meant stormreaven, and hoping on special characters,

Hmmm short list..
Vehicle points in keeping with the rest of the chapters (like no more 50 pt no vehicle wargear rhinos)
Sword Bretheren with more decent options, perhaps even allowing them to be attached to Crusader squads as 'advisors'
Actual Sword Bretheren command squads that reflect the feel of the BT rather than vanilla command squads
CC dreads.... really only the BA get them when the BT are really the CC themed SM
Use of the Baal, Redeemer and other vehicle variants....since everyone else stole the Crusader why cant we steal back
Some type of heavy support squad that perhaps has more special weapons per marine since the BT arent devastator happy
Keep the mixed Initate/neophyte bike squads, those were cool
Perhaps an troop choice that is somehow in between Sword Brethern and Cruasder squads
I would say a rhino vairant/upgrade that would allow them to disembark and assault, but then every marine chapter would have to have it and it would be rhino rush all over again for everyone
Keep the option to attach Chaplains everywhere. .. that is really nice

Joetaco wrote:
Thunderhawk, no way. Stormraven, maybe.

Man, I hope they dont give stormravens to the Black Templars, sure stormravens are cool, but they dont really fit the whole crusader feel of black templars, also it would be weird if they give all the new space marine codices stormravens now.

The "ketchup" part was intended to be a joke; it makes as much sense as GW not letting Templars have whirlwinds; we had them in 3rd...

I'd accept a Stormbird if we can't have thunderhawks

The OP's suggestions were just terrible. I concur with everyone else that said so as well. As far as the Stormraven goes, they're really fun to use, but I don't see them fitting in with the BT style. I'd just like to see us get special rules and incentives to use land based assault vehicles.

@ah64piolt5, those all sound pretty wicked, specifically the Sword Brethren CS, just pile them in with a chaplain and a indie marshall, and you have one very angry group of templars, the devastators sound good too, can never have enough lascannons,

@remulus, i know what you mean, but i feel that if it can be used in a armed transport sense, never have that vehicle punching ability, but the ability to get your crusaders across the map real quick with out being to exposed to artillery, etc.

@almightywalrus, Ah, gotcha now,

@movac, now that first part is just not nice, some constructive criticism would have been nice however,

For models, I would like to see something along the lines of a space wolves pack but for BT as it would be quite use ful and imo the SW one works well. Rulewise I would like to see more attacks for EC Sword brethern and possibly initates as well ass an assualty rhino

templarsandorks? wrote:For models, I would like to see something along the lines of a space wolves pack but for BT as it would be quite use ful and imo the SW one works well. Rulewise I would like to see more attacks for EC Sword brethern and possibly initates as well ass an assualty rhino

Yea this would be amazing since chapter upgrades go for like 30 a piece which is insane

Sigismund as a named character.

Heavy D3 Whirlwinds.

Assault Rhinos.

An assault rhino would be nice, but then every marine chapter would HAVE to have them also. I can see going without the whirlwinds, the theme of the BT is good without. My idea for the weapons is not so much devastator style, but more like IG special weapons squads, and perhaps give them the advantage of any special weapons they use gaining assault for its rules. Also with the Sword Bretheren, especially for the command squads, how about allowing any termies to take power weapons instead of power fists, make them a bit more rapid strike. You could even give the Sword Bretheren special power weapons along the lines of the old Black Sword, perhaps an upgraded power weapon that would increase ST by +1 or +2, but you could forego all other attacks and it could be power fist style, or maybe a +1 to ST but if you use it double handed (no bonus for 2nd weapon) it would be +3 instead, not quite PF but not bad as it would still be based on I.

@popsicle Yes, Maybe, and Razorbacks with better armour?

@ah64piolt5 power weapons on termis? Special weapons teams, though idk mainly because Devasators are already mobile special weapon teams, but also those special power weapons i can kind of see.

Brother Jarod as a Dreadnaught hero would be sweet. PE against orkz of course!

Fool. Everybody knows that Tankred is the only true Black Templar Dreadnought hero.

idk @coolyo Jarod was a badass to the end and beyond, but prehaps a hero as him in his initiate form?

Coolyo294 wrote:Fool. Everybody knows that Tankred is the only true Black Templar Dreadnought hero.

Thank you! I had forgotten the sheer amazing power of Tankred, but seeing the name again reminded me...

ah64pilot5 wrote:An assault rhino would be nice, but then every marine chapter would HAVE to have them also.

The same way that everyone took the LRC?

I agree, Tankred would be cool. TANKRED SMASH!

Sword brethren that you don't have to pay close to 300pts for 2 attacks. I got some when I started BT because they were a cool concept, but after using them I realised they're just more expensive Initiates, albeit with a free USR selection.

I would rather take lower BS/ranged attacks and have a better than normal SM CC rules, to show that Black templars would rather shove a sword where a sword dont fit than fire a bolter.

Also being able to assault from drop pods would be sweet, I hate landing down next to a big enemy squad for them to pop their head out the pod to get shot to pieces

If they get Storm Ravens it's fair to say vanilla marines definitely will. Watch this space.

Firstly- TANKRED ENDURES!

Secondly- The assault rhino or similar, I would absolutely love the BT to have one, but it'd be hard to keep it all of their own.

And for God's sake, why not give out more stubborn for the BT's?