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Hey guys, just wanted to get some opinions as to what people thought about this list. Not sure if its completely min-maxed correctly as I just started collecting and playing the Dark Eldar and this will be the first true test of if I have learned anything yet or not. Thanks in advance, and without going through a complete list of what I own at this point, if you guys think I should swap something for something else lemme know what you think, I do not however own any Ravagers as I love the Razorwing's so much more. So I cant switch out for any of those. other than that, Fire away!

1250 Pts - Dark Eldar Roster

Total Roster Cost: 1249

HQ: Archon ( 150 pts)
1 Archon, 150 pts = Agoniser + Blast Pistol + Phantasm Grenade Launcher ) + Shadow Field

Elite: Incubi ( 232 pts)
5 Incubi, 110 pts
1 Klaivex, 52 pts Onslaught
1 Raider, 70 pts + Flickerfield

Troops: Kabalite Warriors ( 130 pts)
5 Kabalite Warriors, 60 pts Blaster x1
1 Raider, 70 pts Flickerfield

Troops: Kabalite Warriors ( 130 pts)
5 Kabalite Warriors, Blaster x1
1 Raider, 70 pts Flickerfield

Troops: Wyches ( 221 pts)
7 Wyches, 94 pts Haywire Grenades Hydra Gauntlets x1
1 Hekatrix, 57 pts Haywire Grenades Agoniser Blast Pistol
1 Raider, 70 pts Flickerfield

Troops: Wyches ( 221 pts)
7 Wyches, 94 pts Haywire Grenades Hydra Gauntlets x1
1 Hekatrix, 57 pts Haywire Grenades Agoniser Blast Pistol
1 Raider, 70 pts Flickerfield

Heavy Support: Razorwing Jetfighter (165 pts)
1 Razorwing Jetfighter, 165 pts = Splinter Cannon x1 Flickerfield

no moderator has seen this post yet i take it ill save them some time

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/281186.page

read this and ammend your post dude, will comment on list shortly

I would do several things, drop the blast pistols from your hekatrixes, drop the blast pistol from your archon, put your warriors on venoms instead of raiders, and then you might get 1 or 2 haemys for your wyches for FnP boosting their survivability.

I hesitate to drop the blast pistols in addition to the 2 raiders for Venoms as that only leaves me with 5 Dark Lances on vehicles and 2 blasters in units. That seems very light on AT to me. Im guessing the Venom swap out was to bring in more AI which ive noticed was pretty light save the Razorwings Missle Loadout, which sadly is only one shot per. so its short lived. I like the Idea of the Venoms, but isnt it a bit to risky for such Low AT, as with the pistols, if all the vehicles get blown up, at least the squads themselves would each still have something to pop armor with, or do you think that the Haywire grenades would do enough of the trick to lose the pistols.

At this low points level I would reccomend taking advantage of your cheap HS choices as 3 Ravagers is only 345-360 points.

By dropping the Blast Pistols, Klaivex (which costs 1/3 the incubis overall points), the 3 5man raiders to venoms and the razorwing you're saving 277 points right there, so that's 2 Ravagers with flickerfields and change and you only need 77 more points for a 3rd.

That said... if you outright drop the Archon and field 2 Liquifier Guns, that's another 15 points freed up and your Wyches become that much more resilient...

You can use the raiders as Ravagers if you simply stick 2 extra lances on them

At low pts armies for Dark Eldar, a Succubus with an agoniser is simply an outstanding choice. In a unit of wyches with a Heka with agoniser, that is 10 agoniser attacks on the charge. Pain token in the bag

However if you do insist on taking your archon, it can take a blaster which is much better value for the same amount of pts.

if you drop all the blast pistols and incubi, swap your two warrior squads into venoms, you can squeeze in a couple of ravagers with nightshields or flickerfields (whichever you prefer) and ( contrary to the other folks here) keep your razorwing and give it a nightshield as well. I run a similar list at 1250 - 2warrior squads in venoms, two wych squads in raiders - except with the recommendations i've mentioned and it works quite well. A razorwing is good at this pts level as the ability to destroy a whole squad in a turn on its own helps you to focus both wych squads on the other flank without having to worry about being flanked themselves

Personally, I think you list is good, but could definitely be changed for more efficiency. Here's what I'd do if I were in your position.

Haemonculus - 50

4x trueborn - 98
- two with dark lances (put them in cover)

5x warriors - 125
- one with a blaster
- on a venom with 2x SC
5x warriors - 125
- one with a blaster
- on a venom with 2x SC
5x warriors - 125
- one with a blaster
- on a venom with 2x SC
5x warriors - 125
- one with a blaster
- on a venom with 2x SC
5x warriors - 125
- one with a blaster
- on a venom with 2x SC
5x warriors - 125
- one with a blaster
- on a venom with 2x SC

Ravager - 115
- flickerfield
Ravager - 115
- flickerfield
Ravager - 115
- flickerfield

True you would not have a combat unit in this list, but you firepower would be more than enough to cover for that. In your current list, you seem to have an assault dependent force which is not a bad thing but those types of dark eldar lists tend to field less units than shooting DE. Also, there's the mental aspect of your list as well. personally, if I were in a 1250pt tournament and a guy put 9 vehicles in front of me I'd be more than a little discouraged. The list above offers 11 dark lance shots, 6 blaster shots, and 120 splinter shots per turn. that should be plenty to deal with almost anything the other guy fields.

If you want to stick with the list you have, I'd recommend the following: drop all the blast pistols, drop the klaivex and another incubi so that you can put the squad and the archon in a venom instead, put the warrior squads in venoms, try to put more bodies in the wych squads (haemonculi would be nice but thats a pretty pricy buff at this point level, i'd go without), drop the razorwing and replace it with two ravagers which you should be able to do assuming you made the above changes.

hope that helps!

Kassket, the blast pistols are going to get used once, possibly on a rhino. If you're lucky, the wyches and archon pop that tank and eat the goodies. In the meantime, the BP is in h2h and thus not used.

I started my army with BPs on the hekatrixes, but soon eschewed them for points on Trublasters and such.

Blast Pistols really *don't* count for anti-tank, especially not at 6" range. Because if it fails to pop that transport, then your girls are out in the open with only their BDSM-wear for armor. It's great to wear at parties and internet videos , but not a battle field fulla AP5 bolters.

I'm just popping in to echo Brothererekose's consistently good advice. Blast pistols don't have the range or reliability to be a viable anti-tank platform. If you want anti-tank on a wych platform, bring haywires.

Well said to all posters and thank you all for the replies. As ravagers go I don't own any due to loving the razors so much better simply for their design and look. Point taken on the pistols as well put that way they seem to hurt more than help in almost every circumstance for the price tag. With my limited funds during the holidays ill have to make due with what I own so keep an eye on this tomorrow and ill post another list with these suggestions in mind. Thanks again all back to the drawing bowrd.

For the new raider:
If you have the warriors that hang off the raiders body, and two spare dark lance arms per raider, you can put a DL arm on the hangers and you now have a raider with 3 lances.

For the old raider:
2 Warrirors with lances stood on the sides.

I myself also love the razorwing model and what it does and intend to get another 2 at some point., but it is hella pricey points wise and at low points levels I'll be sticking lances to my raiders and fielding 3 ravagers.

Ok so ive reworked this a bit and gone a diffrent route, trying to keep in mind what stuff I own. Here is the new list that ive come up with, but I do have 15 points to spare. trying to find something to dump them into. Thoughts?

1250 Pts - Dark Eldar Roster

Total Roster Cost: 1235

HQ: Haemonculus (2#, 120 pts)
1 Haemonculus, 60 pts = Liquifier Gun x1
1 Haemonculus, 60 pts = Liquifier Gun x1

Troops: Kabalite Warriors (6#, 125 pts)
5 Kabalite Warriors, 60 pts = Blaster x1
1 Venom, 65 pts = Splinter Cannon

Troops: Kabalite Warriors (6#, 125 pts)
5 Kabalite Warriors, 60 pts = Blaster x1
1 Venom, 65 pts = Splinter Cannon

Troops: Wracks (6#, 155 pts)
4 Wracks, 50 pts = Liquifier Gun x1
1 Acothyst, 35 pts = Hexrifle
1 Raider, 70 pts = Flickerfield


Troops: Wyches (9#, 190 pts)
7 Wyches, 80 pts = Hydra Gauntlets x1
1 Hekatrix, 40 pts = Agoniser
1 Raider, 70 pts = Flickerfield

Troops: Wyches (9#, 190 pts)
7 Wyches, 80 pts = Hydra Gauntlets x1
1 Hekatrix, 40 pts = Agoniser
1 Raider, 70 pts = Flickerfield

Heavy Support: Razorwing Jetfighter (1#, 165 pts)
1 Razorwing Jetfighter, 165 pts = Splinter Cannon x1 + Flickerfield

Heavy Support: Razorwing Jetfighter (1#, 165 pts)
1 Razorwing Jetfighter, 165 pts = Splinter Cannon x1 + Flickerfield