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Alright, the tournament is going to be primarily assault lists so i figured a shooty list would balance that out.

Librarian w/ power armor,null zone, gate
Master of the Forge w/ power weapon, digital weapons

Tac Squad in DP w/flamer, multimelta,melta bombs
Tac Squad in DP w/ flamer, missile, melta bombs
Scout Snipers (10 man) w/camo cloaks

Terminator Assault Squad w/ 3x TH/SS and 2x Claws
Dreadnought in DP w/ multimelta,SB

Predator Annihilator
5 man Dev squad w/ 2x missile plas cannon, lascannon

I wouldn't take the assault terminators without a crusader or redeemer personally. Secondly, which pods are coming in on turn 2+? My primary concern is if you drop the second tactical squad in and they cannot move out of the way of enemy CC.

Ok scouts, take 5 not 10. They there to force pinning tests and hold objectives. Best role wound MCs.

Why are you podding in your troops? Especially with no power fists. Put them in rhino and small arms your opponent before assault, not take the battle to him.

Why master of forge? You take him for extra dreads, or you just want him for fluff, but I'm not getting either here.

Pred is solid, it will hit hard, but keep it away from outflankers and assault.

Devastators, recommend 4 ML for flexibility and points price.

Terms are good but will achieve little on foot, even if Libby gates them close.

I would definitely avoid the pods and use rhinos, and load up on shooting. Best in SM dex is TFC and the LR variants. If your tacs doing heavy lifting, which they will at this points level, I recommend PFs

What would you recommend as a list then?
The models I have to work with are:
Shrike
MotF
Terminator Captain/chap master
terminator libby
PA libby
Jump Chaplain

15 assault marines
25 Tactical marines
5-10 devastators
5 assault termies
10 shootinators
10 CC scouts
13 snipers , telion
Dreadnought assault cannon/HF
Dreadnought Multimelta/SB

Land Raider
Predator
Rhino
3x drop pods

I know he's not in ur list of models, but he's the only thing you'd have to buy and it'd bring ur force together…

Sm list dakka (1500pts) 1500pt Space Marines 5th Ed (2008) Roster (Standard) Selections: * HQ (290pts) * Forgefather Vulkan He'Stan (190pts) (And They Shall Know no Fear, Chapter Tactics, Combat Tactics, Independent Character) * Librarian (100pts) (And They Shall Know no Fear, Combat Tactics, Independent Character, Psyker) Bolt Pistol, Null Zone, Power Armour, The Gate of Infinity * Elites (350pts) * Dreadnought (150pts) Multi-Melta * Dreadnought Close Combat Weapon Storm Bolter * Drop Pod (45pts) Locator Beacon (10pts), Storm Bolter * Terminator Assault Squad (200pts) (And They Shall Know no Fear, Combat Squads, Combat Tactics) * Terminator (40pts) Thunder Hammer & Storm Shield * Terminator (40pts) Thunder Hammer & Storm Shield * Terminator (40pts) Thunder Hammer & Storm Shield * Terminator (40pts) Lightning Claws * Terminator Sergeant (40pts) Lightning Claws * Troops (465pts) * Scout Squad (90pts) (And They Shall Know no Fear, Combat Squads, Combat Tactics, Infiltrate, Move Through Cover, Scouts) * 4x Scout (64pts) 4x Camo Cloaks (12pts), 4x Sniper Rifle * Scout Sergeant (26pts) Bolt Pistol, Camo Cloak (3pts), Combat Blade * Tactical Squad (245pts) (And They Shall Know no Fear, Combat Squads, Combat Tactics) Meltagun (5pts), Multi-Melta, 9x Space Marine (144pts) * Drop Pod (45pts) Locator Beacon (10pts), Storm Bolter * Space Marine Sergeant (51pts) Bolt Pistol, Power Fist (25pts) * Tactical Squad (130pts) (And They Shall Know no Fear, Combat Squads, Combat Tactics) 4x Space Marine (64pts) * Rhino (40pts) (Repair, Tank) Dozer Blade (5pts) * Space Marine Sergeant (26pts) Bolt Pistol, Chainsword * Heavy Support (395pts) * Land Raider (275pts) (Assault Vehicle, Power of the Machine Spirit) Extra Armour (15pts), Multi-Melta (10pts) * Predator (120pts) Autocannon, Lascannons (60pts) Profile Summary: Name Unit Type WS BS S T W I A LD Save Pg Scout Infantry 3 3 4 4 1 4 1 8 4+ 66 Scout Sergeant 4 4 4 4 4 1 4 2 9 4+ 66 Space Marine Jump Infantry 4 4 4 4 1 4 1 8 3+ 60 Space Marine Librarian Infantry 5 4 4 4 2 4 2 10 3+ 54 Space Marine Sgt. Jump Infantry 4 4 4 4 1 4 2 9 3+ 60 Terminator Infantry 4 4 4 4 1 4 2 9 2+ 64 Terminator Sergeant Infantry 4 4 4 4 1 4 2 9 2+ 64 Vulkan He'Stan Infantry 6 5 4 4 3 5 3 10 2+ 93 Name BS Front Side Rear Type Pg Drop Pod 4 12 12 12 Open-Topped 69 Land Raider 4 14 14 14 Tank 81 Predator 4 13 11 10 Tank 78 Rhino 4 11 11 10 Tank 76 Name WS BS S Front Side Rear I A Pg Dreadnought 4 4 6 12 12 10 4 2 65 Selection Rule Summary: * And They Shall Know no Fear * Assault Vehicle * Chapter Tactics * Combat Squads * Combat Tactics * Independent Character * Infiltrate * Move Through Cover * Power of the Machine Spirit * Psyker * Repair * Scouts * Tank
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Vulcan TL all the melta, Dread goes in first usually Tactical squad second, by that. Time LR closes in. Pred stays with the scouts back field and Tac squad rhino does Obj.
The libby can Gate onto any of the DP's Locator Beacons late or early game (remember he do it inside of a Dedicated transport)

Look for synergy in what you've got riverhawks.

LR + assault termies + termie libby

MoTF + Dreads in pods

rhino + tac squad

Snipers in smaller groups + Telion

Dev's (I like 3 ML + 1 LC)

Just as an example.


So... (and I don't have a dex so points here is a crap shoot)...

HQ: librarian termie (125)
HQ: MoTF as indicated (125?)
EL: assault termies + LR as dedicated transport
EL: dread + pod
EL: dread + pod
TP: 5 sniper scouts
TP: 5 sniper scouts
TP: 5 tac + pod
Hvy: Pred
Hvy: Dev

So the HQ's load into the LR w/ the assault termies. Scouts deploy strategically, MoTF reinforces ruins for scouts if possible. Pred and dev deploy for supporting fire. Beginning of game, both dread pods come down and give an instant headache to opponent, allowing your LR a turn of relatively free movement to close for assault in T2 (hopefully). 5-man tac squad comes down whenever in other pod to contest or claim objectives, keep a fleeing unit moving, whatever. I would really try to find the 10 points to upgrade the storm bolter on the dread to a HF, they're worth their weight in gold in close-quarter fights.

Point-wise I'm not sure where this is at... but you get the idea. Think of your army as a single entity working together for a common goal.


OK, saw a slight issue with putting both HQ's in the LR... too many bodies. Either put the termie libby in with the assault squad and the MoTF with say, the 5-man tac pod to give them some punch, or switch the termie libby to a normal one so both he and the MoTF can fit in the LR with the terminators.

riverhawks32 wrote:What would you recommend as a list then?
The models I have to work with are:
Shrike
MotF
Terminator Captain/chap master
terminator libby
PA libby
Jump Chaplain

15 assault marines
25 Tactical marines
5-10 devastators
5 assault termies
10 shootinators
10 CC scouts
13 snipers , telion
Dreadnought assault cannon/HF
Dreadnought Multimelta/SB

Land Raider
Predator
Rhino
3x drop pods

I'm not sure what you have in choices with devestators, but they would be key to a shooty army. What works well is combat squading them with tacticals for fire support. If you're playing against assaulting armies make sure you're marines are mechanized, ie in a rhino, razor, or LR. Drop pod your dreds, but not your marines. It's always best to have 3 drop pods if you're using those, so drop 2 dreads on turn one, and the other one later. Use the dreds to take out something big.

Go with 5 snipers with Telion, not ten.

Aslt termis with TH/SS along with Null by your termi lib are an awesome combination in assaults. Termi libs go great with aslt termis. I'd give him null, and something shooty for psych, along with a combi weapon.

Thanks or all the quick input guys! I will take a look at the synergy of my lists and take into account all of the great input. Once I change my list I will post it on this thread for further input. Again thanks
-Riverhawks

Good luck!

Some great advice. Just a couple of points...
I feel Telion needs 9 scouts as kannon fodder, or sometimes just as combat squad to sit on a objective. Telion on an objective gives too huge a target.
Also I feel landraiders die too easily without plenty of tank back up which you haven't got.

I know you are to write a new list but hey i wanted a go

terminator librarian with gate.
pa Librarian with gate
440 Shooty terminators with 2 assault cannons.
dread in drop pod
dread in drop pod
Tactical marines in drop pod, use the MM here and melta and combimelta would be nice, probably a fist as well.
10 man Telion with heavy bolter or ML.
Hopefully you can stretch to
dev. squad with 3 ML
dev. squad with 3 ML

this has a good deal of flexibility in it. I guess keep a infantry shooting element and then a hard termy/dread first turn assault would the usual plan of action

Fletch i fail to see the point of two libbies......as well as all shootynators. I would rather one of each at most,as shooty's die easily. Btw i only have 3 ML's unfortunately...... Perhaps with MotF rather than the second libby and bolstering 5 scouts with telion would be better than 10?