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@Cheese:

1) You yourself said they didn't have any resources whatsoever. What's more, if Ilos wasn't on the Citadel Database, whose to say what else wasn't? (Such as a crashed Prothean ship, much like Jacobs dad)

2) Being a Paragon =/= Abstaining.

The Dreadnote wrote:

Cheese Elemental wrote:But Liara is a total bitch now. She was way better in ME1 when she was a socially awkward bookish chick.

And what the hell is up with her skin colour now? It's all pale and creepy.

I look forward to exercising my super paragon powers to turn that around. Then it'll be all "Shepard, what would I have done without you", etc.

I'm going to make a character that romances her in ME1, then be unfaithful in ME2, just to see if you can consequently be forced to gun her down in ME3.


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Emperors Faithful wrote:@Cheese:

1) You yourself said they didn't have any resources whatsoever. What's more, if Ilos wasn't on the Citadel Database, whose to say what else wasn't? (Such as a crashed Prothean ship, much like Jacobs dad)

That's stretching it a bit. If a Prothean ship crashed, then it probably got shot down by Reapers, and they'd make sure no organic life escaped. Even then, the population couldn't be maintained. Besides, the Prothean stasis pods might not have been able to last 50,000 years. Vigil and all the facilities on Ilos didn't have enough power to sustain them that long, so why would a ship's generators be able to handle it?

I'm torn between vague horror and grudging admiration for the mind that could come up with such a scheme.

Emperors Faithful wrote:
2) Being a Paragon =/= Abstaining.

Feth off

Cheese Elemental wrote:

Emperors Faithful wrote:@Cheese:

1) You yourself said they didn't have any resources whatsoever. What's more, if Ilos wasn't on the Citadel Database, whose to say what else wasn't? (Such as a crashed Prothean ship, much like Jacobs dad)

That's stretching it a bit. If a Prothean ship crashed, then it probably got shot down by Reapers, and they'd make sure no organic life escaped. Even then, the population couldn't be maintained. Besides, the Prothean stasis pods might not have been able to last 50,000 years. Vigil and all the facilities on Ilos didn't have enough power to sustain them that long, so why would a ship's generators be able to handle it?

Ships crash all the time.

Anyway, I was thinking it'd be more along the lines of a single prothean in stasis. With the facilities, who knows how long s/he could be sustained before Shepard waltz in an presses a big red button?

The Dreadnote wrote:I'm torn between vague horror and grudging admiration for the mind that could come up with such a scheme.

You honour me, sir.

Cheese Elemental wrote:

Emperors Faithful wrote:
2) Being a Paragon =/= Abstaining.

Feth off

It's for the Good of Humanity dammit!

Emperors Faithful wrote:

Cheese Elemental wrote:

Emperors Faithful wrote:@Cheese:

1) You yourself said they didn't have any resources whatsoever. What's more, if Ilos wasn't on the Citadel Database, whose to say what else wasn't? (Such as a crashed Prothean ship, much like Jacobs dad)

That's stretching it a bit. If a Prothean ship crashed, then it probably got shot down by Reapers, and they'd make sure no organic life escaped. Even then, the population couldn't be maintained. Besides, the Prothean stasis pods might not have been able to last 50,000 years. Vigil and all the facilities on Ilos didn't have enough power to sustain them that long, so why would a ship's generators be able to handle it?

Ships crash all the time.

Anyway, I was thinking it'd be more along the lines of a single prothean in stasis. With the facilities, who knows how long s/he could be sustained before Shepard waltz in an presses a big red button?

Alright, but what use would a single Prothean be anyway? Their tech is completely gone and they apparently weren't particularly outstanding biotics. If they looked like those statues you see on Ilos, they'd be gakky fighters too.

What use would a single Geth be? All I know is that It'd be cool to have it on the team.

Legion still has access to Geth tech; there are billions more like him on the Quarian homeworld.

It would be interesting to see how Garrus and Tali are worked into the next game if you import a game where they both died.

Anung Un Rama wrote:It would be interesting to see how Garrus and Tali are worked into the next game if you import a game where they both died.

If either of them died, you should go back and make sure they survive.

Cheese Elemental wrote:

Anung Un Rama wrote:It would be interesting to see how Garrus and Tali are worked into the next game if you import a game where they both died.

If either of them died, you should go back and make sure they survive.

None of my Squadmates died on my 2 playthroughs. I'm just saying IF...

Anung Un Rama wrote:

Cheese Elemental wrote:

Anung Un Rama wrote:It would be interesting to see how Garrus and Tali are worked into the next game if you import a game where they both died.

If either of them died, you should go back and make sure they survive.

None of my Squadmates died on my 2 playthroughs. I'm just saying IF...

WHOA WHOA WHOA!!! HOW can they both die???!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??

It's possible for everyone, including Shepard, to die.

Shepard can only die if you don't bring at least one loyal squadmate to the final battle though.

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!
That.......just........tore out my heart!!!!
well its a good thing I'm a paragon and care about my crew *phew*!

There are quite a few ways squad members can die in the final mission. It all depends on if they are loyal to you and what choices you make in assigning specialists and fireteam leaders.

I knew about that thanks but your saying that when they are doing the assignments I can lose more than one?cause whenever something happened only one person was affected....either they died or it made you think it.

There a few points in the final mission where you'll have to select a member of your party to perform a special task. If they are not loyal, or not suited for the task, one of your team members will die for that.

In the segment were you need a biotic to get through the seeker swarms you'll have to use either Samara or Jack, because only they are good enough biotics to get you to the end and manage to push the swarms back at the end with a shockwave. If they are not loyal or you used a weaker Biotic like Miranda one of the two members who are currently in your squad will get caught by the swarms, no matter if THEY are loyal to you or not.

Anung Un Rama wrote:There a few points in the final mission where you'll have to select a member of your party to perform a special task. If they are not loyal, or not suited for the task, one of your team members will die for that.

In the segment were you need a biotic to get through the seeker swarms you'll have to use either Samara or Jack, because only they are good enough biotics to get you to the end and manage to push the swarms back at the end with a shockwave. If they are not loyal or you used a weaker Biotic like Miranda one of the two members who are currently in your squad will get caught by the swarms, no matter if THEY are loyal to you or not.

Yea I remember all that......I did great on all the "challanges" or choices if you prefer to call them that by choosing Garrus and Mordigan(he wasn't that popular to me so I don't know his name proper. But I really Fethed up when i went ti the biotics with Miranda....saying to my self "hey you know she is very eager to prove herself(we did just discovery channel{sex} after all)" then legion.....poor legion if only Miranda wasn't a weak biotic bitch.....she's still hot though!

Anyone notice that if you play as a renegade you become more moody and donkey-cave like in real life?

Its like wrote learning bad behaviour.

Though I did enjoy how my renegade shep who only cared for himself had a nice empty ship at the end.

Also have they released (when?) will they release new DLC.. will it be free (ie will I get it?)

I haven't played this game in ages this thread is nostalgic.

All the DLC so far has been free, and BioWare have stated that the Firewalker pack (including the Hammerhead tank) will be as well. Seems fair, considering you have to pay 1200 MS points to activate the Cerberus Network if you didn't buy the game new.


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Know what's really pissing me off? That Turian Councilor. I was willing to save the other two Councilors, but that bastard had to survive.

@NIkev:
Did Mordin work as the tech-infiltrator? I read only Tali and Legion could do that.

My wife wanted to give me spoilers at the end to make sure our "balanced" Shepherd, who we played through ME1 with together, came out with a full crew in the end for import into ME3. She gave me one hint which I wish she hadn't and I stopped her right there, but I might have made that choice on my own.

When it comes to keeping your shipmates alive, three things matter:

1) Ship upgrades
2) Loyalty status
3) Smart choices at the end for mission assignments

Apparently there's an under-the-hood calculation for individual crew survival during the suicide mission that takes all of these things into account. For me, #1 and #2 were no-brainers. Of course I want the ship was upgraded as possible, and the Loyalty missions were content I had no intention of missing out on, so I had these covered.

#3 just required some thinking, but the "correct" choices are all painfully obvious if you stop and consider carefully. Really obvious. I got the "No One Left Behind" Achievement on the first playthrough. I'm going to have to intentionally make mistakes to get anyone killed...

@Anung un Rama honestly I don't' know....I'd assume no. I didn't even think of him when that choice came up.....Tali or Legion popped up in my mind as soon as they said tech.
But I used him to escort the survivors...cause I've read(I think on hear close to the beginning pages that he can be lost easily at the doors.


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Cairnius wrote:My wife wanted to give me spoilers at the end to make sure our "balanced" Shepherd, who we played through ME1 with together, came out with a full crew in the end for import into ME3. She gave me one hint which I wish she hadn't and I stopped her right there, but I might have made that choice on my own.

When it comes to keeping your shipmates alive, three things matter:

1) Ship upgrades
2) Loyalty status
3) Smart choices at the end for mission assignments

Apparently there's an under-the-hood calculation for individual crew survival during the suicide mission that takes all of these things into account. For me, #1 and #2 were no-brainers. Of course I want the ship was upgraded as possible, and the Loyalty missions were content I had no intention of missing out on, so I had these covered.

#3 just required some thinking, but the "correct" choices are all painfully obvious if you stop and consider carefully. Really obvious. I got the "No One Left Behind" Achievement on the first playthrough. I'm going to have to intentionally make mistakes to get anyone killed...

you may not have meant it but ouch.....you probably couldn't hurt me anymore if I unholstered my bolt pistol handed it to you and accused myself of heresy before I was put down..........

Commissar NIkev wrote:

Anung Un Rama wrote:Nope, according to the Wikia you need either Samara/Morinth or Jack, because they are the most powerful Biotics.

Yea but I was going without the Wiki or any help.....I was sooooo pissed when I lost legion.....I was like "STUPID B****" but "Its okay....you tried your best and he knew the risk." Still pissed though.....
But I went back today I used The Justicar and her move at the end.............O....My.....Emperor!


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Anti-Mag wrote:

Commissar NIkev wrote:O.O I JUST FETHIN BEAT ME2!!!!!!!!!! AAMMAAZZIINNGG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Then you will understand my Terminator 2 reference a few pages back

Dear goodness....I read about halfway down your rant and.....I'm a little sad now....but I respect your opinion entirely(if only bolt pistols were real)
But I didn't find the Terminator 2 reference....I just found your rant.
I must say I do agree with you on some things though. But the overall problem for me with the game was....I was getting pretty damn tired of the long-ass missions.....I mean now that I beat it it was a short game that only contained a couple of main missions....the last game and you going EVERYWHERE but here its like "go there, there, yep...and there. BAMO! your done.....but that last mission.......I was freaking out!

Aww. Don't be sad Nikev! There's no such thing as a perfect game; although recent critics may make you believe otherwise.

Thanks for going back and reading my original post; hope it wasn't too offputting in terms of length. I also felt like the game became much more exciting towards the end, but it was too brief, felt rushed, and was much too late to save the game. Despite this, I'm glad to see some people enjoyed it, and that no one got offended by my first post on this thread.

Emperors Faithful wrote:

Cheese Elemental wrote:

Emperors Faithful wrote:@Cheese:

1) You yourself said they didn't have any resources whatsoever. What's more, if Ilos wasn't on the Citadel Database, whose to say what else wasn't? (Such as a crashed Prothean ship, much like Jacobs dad)

That's stretching it a bit. If a Prothean ship crashed, then it probably got shot down by Reapers, and they'd make sure no organic life escaped. Even then, the population couldn't be maintained. Besides, the Prothean stasis pods might not have been able to last 50,000 years. Vigil and all the facilities on Ilos didn't have enough power to sustain them that long, so why would a ship's generators be able to handle it?

Ships crash all the time.

Anyway, I was thinking it'd be more along the lines of a single prothean in stasis. With the facilities, who knows how long s/he could be sustained before Shepard waltz in an presses a big red button?

YES exactly Probably a selfish billionare who created his own mini illos which had alot more spare power perhaps it should be a he or she depending on shepard's gender...

Please, mate. Just READ your post after you've typed. It's called proofreading, and it does miracles for spelling.

Slick Psychic wrote:

Emperors Faithful wrote:

Cheese Elemental wrote:

Emperors Faithful wrote:@Cheese:

1) You yourself said they didn't have any resources whatsoever. What's more, if Ilos wasn't on the Citadel Database, whose to say what else wasn't? (Such as a crashed Prothean ship, much like Jacobs dad)

That's stretching it a bit. If a Prothean ship crashed, then it probably got shot down by Reapers, and they'd make sure no organic life escaped. Even then, the population couldn't be maintained. Besides, the Prothean stasis pods might not have been able to last 50,000 years. Vigil and all the facilities on Ilos didn't have enough power to sustain them that long, so why would a ship's generators be able to handle it?

Ships crash all the time.

Anyway, I was thinking it'd be more along the lines of a single prothean in stasis. With the facilities, who knows how long s/he could be sustained before Shepard waltz in an presses a big red button?

YES exactly Probably a selfish billionare who created his own mini illos which had alot more spare power perhaps it should be a he or she depending on shepard's gender...

I am confuse.