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Yes, it is all here: http://forum.spikeybits.com/showthread.php?20775-Chaos-Space-Marines-Rumor-Roundup&p=239440&viewfull=1#post239440

 Nevelon wrote:
Anyone taking odds on if Skyhammer gets nerfed when they print it?

There's two Skyhammer formations.

There's the one everybody loses their mind about...and then the Raven Guard version. Given that they namedropped the Shadowstrike Kill-Team, I'm pretty sure it's the Kauyon Raven Guard version which isn't that impressive.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Nevelon wrote:
Anyone taking odds on if Skyhammer gets nerfed when they print it?

There's two Skyhammer formations.

There's the one everybody loses their mind about...and then the Raven Guard version. Given that they namedropped the Shadowstrike Kill-Team, I'm pretty sure it's the Kauyon Raven Guard version which isn't that impressive.

It flat-out says the Orbital Annihilation Force, which is the one from the bundle.

I am excited for the Sternhammer Strike Force for my Crimson Fists and updated rules from Sentinels of Terra. I may be bringing some stuff out of retirement!

But, of course Blood Angels aren't getting any new stuff here. Bittersweet.

Why is the shadowstrike kill team not impressive? In the Ravenguard detachment you can roll reserves turn 1.

This formation can choose when it comes in. The scouts infiltrate and then can scout. Get within 12" of enemy units. The vanguard vets don't scatter when placed within 9" of 2 of the scout squads and can charge when they arrive.

so you can pretty much assure yourself of a 4" charge max and you can reroll dice thanks to the RG rule of using jump packs in the assault phase.

That on top of the RG reroll to choose if you want to deploy first means you can go first in a lot of games.

That's not too shabby. and Vanguard vets aren't terrible with cheap power weapons/weapon options and don't take a penalty for a multi-charge.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Nevelon wrote:
Anyone taking odds on if Skyhammer gets nerfed when they print it?

There's two Skyhammer formations.

There's the one everybody loses their mind about...and then the Raven Guard version. Given that they namedropped the Shadowstrike Kill-Team, I'm pretty sure it's the Kauyon Raven Guard version which isn't that impressive.

It flat-out says the Orbital Annihilation Force, which is the one from the bundle.

Actually, it just says "Skyhammer Annihilation Force". It doesn't say "Skyhammer Orbital Annihilation Force" or whatever the exact name is.

In any case, seeing Annihilation Force does seal which one it is. Orbital Strike Force is the crummy one, Annihilation Force is the good one.

BeeCee wrote:
Why is the shadowstrike kill team not impressive?

Didn't say it was? I was posting about the Skyhammer stuff--and the Skyhammer variant in the Raven Wing detachment is trash. 3x Tactical Squads in Drop Pods at points cost and 1-3 unit of Land Speeders.

Only real benefit is rerolling To Hit and To Wound rolls of 1 against enemy units within 12" of a designated point and D6" scatter rather than 2D6" scatter near that same point.
Oh yeah, and the Tactical Squads can Run and shoot when they disembark.

The only reason I brought up the Shadowstrike Kill-Team is because of the fact that they specifically namedropped it, which was making me think it's specifically the Kauyon Raven Guard stuff. Glad to be wrong on that front.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Nevelon wrote:
Anyone taking odds on if Skyhammer gets nerfed when they print it?

There's two Skyhammer formations.

There's the one everybody loses their mind about...and then the Raven Guard version. Given that they namedropped the Shadowstrike Kill-Team, I'm pretty sure it's the Kauyon Raven Guard version which isn't that impressive.

It specifically says Skyhammer Annihilation force. The Kauyon one is The Skyhammer Orbital Strikeforce.

Sorry, might have been a reading context fail. I thought you meant the shadowstrike kill team was not impressive. Not just the tactical squad skyhammer one in that book.

Apologies!

Well one more rumor monger chimed in with a better look.

via Captain Citadel
card-earthblood

Earth Blood – “…blessing that targets a single friendly non-vehicle character within 18″. The target immediately regains D3 wounds lost earlier during the battle. In addition, whilst the power is in effect, the target and all models in their unit have the ‘It Will Not Die’ special rule.”
card-fulmination

Electroshield – “…is a blessing that targets the Psyker. Whilst the power is in effect, the Psykers has a 3+ invulnerable save.”
card-veiloftime

Veil of Time – “…is a blessing that targets the Psyker’s unit. Whilst the power is in effect, the Psyker and his unit can re-roll all failed saving throws.”

For comparison sake lets take a look at Fortune:
Fortune

WOW! Take that Eldar…and pretty much everyone else. The Marines are coming to play mind games and it’s not going to be pretty.

Veil of Time – “…is a blessing that targets the Psyker’s unit. Whilst the power is in effect, the Psyker and his unit can re-roll all failed saving throws.”

Strong. Very strong.

Earth Blood sounds great in theory, until you remember that pretty much all Marine characters and units are T4...

It'd make a Centstar with Librarius Conclave that much more powerful though.

 Kanluwen wrote:
Earth Blood sounds great in theory, until you remember that pretty much all Marine characters and units are T4...

It'd make a Centstar with Librarius Conclave that much more powerful though.

And only have 1 wound.

As you say, it might be nice with Centurions and attached Librarian(s).

 kronk wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
Earth Blood sounds great in theory, until you remember that pretty much all Marine characters and units are T4...

It'd make a Centstar with Librarius Conclave that much more powerful though.

And only have 1 wound.

As you say, it might be nice with Centurions and attached Librarian(s).

Basically all these powers do is make the annoying builds(Centstars and White Scar Conclaves/Ravenwing bikes) more annoying.

Veil of Time on Centurions + Librarian is good.

However, Veil of Time on terminators just made them useful again! Maybe? Hopefully?

Veil of Time + Sanctuary + Thunderwolves = oh dear god...

 casvalremdeikun wrote:


But, of course Blood Angels aren't getting any new stuff here. Bittersweet.

We can use the new psychic powers, so something new.

I wonder if these will be made available to Horus Heresy era Librarians.

Why Angels when there are no Angel chapters?

Prices on GW's website for Chaos seem to have increased. Unless Berserkers have always been $44 and Rhino's $47....

Because Angels of Death is a nickname for any and all space marines not just blood angels and dark angels.

...

So...uh...Space Marines get yet ANOTHER supplement (let's see - Iron Hands, Imperial Fists, White Scars, Raven Guard so that's...5 now, not even factoring that Space Wolves, Dark Angels, Blood Angels (sorry chaps) and Grey Knights are all Marines of different flavours), more psychic lores....

And...uh...

Chaos gets a patchwork job that will probably just add Dataslate formations in to two of their supplements which do nothing about addressing the actual problems of the CSM book (you know, that whole PAY FOR EVERYTHING 5th ed. philosophy in a 6th ed book trying to survive in the era of 7.5).

I'm so remarkably disappointed there.

I mean, yay, more SM supplements - hopefully this one pretty much merges some of the digital or Campaign only ones into an actual printed book...

But for feth's sake GW, don't throw us the same bone and claim it's wonderful and new. It's literally the same bone, repackaged with the other bone we found and stuck next to it.

 DarkStarSabre wrote:
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So...uh...Space Marines get yet ANOTHER supplement (let's see - Iron Hands, Imperial Fists, White Scars, Raven Guard so that's...5 now, not even factoring that Space Wolves, Dark Angels, Blood Angels (sorry chaps) and Grey Knights are all Marines of different flavours), more psychic lores....

Space Marines are getting the equivalent of the "Grand Alliance" books that Age of Sigmar has been releasing. It's existing material packaged together. Probably as a prelude for the other stuff to go away--at least in the case of Iron Hands+Imperial Fists, which never actually saw an update proper.

And...uh...

Chaos gets a patchwork job that will probably just add Dataslate formations in to two of their supplements which do nothing about addressing the actual problems of the CSM book (you know, that whole PAY FOR EVERYTHING 5th ed. philosophy in a 6th ed book trying to survive in the era of 7.5).

I'm so remarkably disappointed there.

Of course you're disappointed. You're expecting something entirely different to what they're doing.

I mean, yay, more SM supplements - hopefully this one pretty much merges some of the digital or Campaign only ones into an actual printed book...

Read the posted pictures.

It's the campaign and digital stuff in one book.

But for feth's sake GW, don't throw us the same bone and claim it's wonderful and new. It's literally the same bone, repackaged with the other bone we found and stuck next to it.

When they say "New dataslates", they don't count repackages or digital only stuff thrown in.

Just so you know.

 DarkStarSabre wrote:
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So...uh...Space Marines get yet ANOTHER supplement (let's see - Iron Hands, Imperial Fists, White Scars, Raven Guard so that's...5 now, not even factoring that Space Wolves, Dark Angels, Blood Angels (sorry chaps) and Grey Knights are all Marines of different flavours), more psychic lores....

And...uh...

Chaos gets a patchwork job that will probably just add Dataslate formations in to two of their supplements which do nothing about addressing the actual problems of the CSM book (you know, that whole PAY FOR EVERYTHING 5th ed. philosophy in a 6th ed book trying to survive in the era of 7.5).

I find this confusing. Do you not consider Chaos Space Marines just another color of Space Marines? They sure seem the same to me.

Aren't some of these "new" psyker powers old minor powers from ages ago?

 Howard A Treesong wrote:
£18 for a single 28mm plastic figure, artificially limited as they could churn out as many as they like from the mould. Gone are the days when something like this would have free on the front of White Dwarf.

Totally. Remember Black Reach models free with White Dwarf?

-Mantic: Almost.
-Games Workshop: Feth you, you owe us.

 DarkStarSabre wrote:
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So...uh...Space Marines get yet ANOTHER supplement (let's see - Iron Hands, Imperial Fists, White Scars, Raven Guard so that's...5 now, not even factoring that Space Wolves, Dark Angels, Blood Angels (sorry chaps) and Grey Knights are all Marines of different flavours), more psychic lores....

And...uh...

Chaos gets a patchwork job that will probably just add Dataslate formations in to two of their supplements which do nothing about addressing the actual problems of the CSM book (you know, that whole PAY FOR EVERYTHING 5th ed. philosophy in a 6th ed book trying to survive in the era of 7.5).

I'm so remarkably disappointed there.

I mean, yay, more SM supplements - hopefully this one pretty much merges some of the digital or Campaign only ones into an actual printed book...

But for feth's sake GW, don't throw us the same bone and claim it's wonderful and new. It's literally the same bone, repackaged with the other bone we found and stuck next to it.

The Space Marine supplement is largely composed of reprinted material. It is Kauyon(which had both the RG and WS, they were not separate products), Clan Raukhaan, and Sentinels of Terra all rolled into one. So this is a replacement for the old 6E stuff and a reprint of the Kauyon stuff in a less expensive package. Chaos is getting reprints and updates to their two supplements. So it is fairly even.

I just hope that Black Templars get some stuff in the new book. The fact they can't benefit from most of the stuff due to Crusader Squads not being interchangeable with Tactical Squads really blows. It does say that Legion Successors are getting new stuff, so I hope that they are a part of that. Perhaps the Sternhammer behaves differently for them? I am looking forward to the new goodies that my Crimson Fists will have access to. Hopefully Sentinels of Terra's Close Range Bolter Drill will work on Sternguard Special Ammo now. Twin-Linked Rapid Fire Special Ammo FTW! I also want that Librarian Relic that gives an additional warp charge and allows re-rolls of failed psychic tests.

This will likely have the WD Warlord Traits for Crimson Fists and Black Templar in it, so that'll be nice. Also, I wonder which other Successor Chapters will be in here. Would be neat to see some of the Forgeworld Chapters like Raptors and Sons of Medusa see general release. Also, well-played, GW, now I kinda need to get Betrayal at Calth since I will have rules to play the stuff in it.

So with 3 new units from BaC SM will have more pre-Heresy stuff than CSM. That's awesome. Wait, someone remind me - why is CSM still an army?

 Abadabadoobaddon wrote:
So with 3 new units from BaC SM will have more pre-Heresy stuff than CSM. That's awesome. Wait, someone remind me - why is CSM still an army?

You know that HH and Pre-HH, they were mostly all just Space Marines right?

There wasn't a large amount of corruption at that point.....

Even in the big HH books, most of them look like....., regular marines.

 Abadabadoobaddon wrote:
So with 3 new units from BaC SM will have more pre-Heresy stuff than CSM. That's awesome. Wait, someone remind me - why is CSM still an army?

Perhaps the Black Legion will have rules for running the BaC units in it. It wouldn't make sense for Crimson Slaughter to have them, but BL would.

Lol Chaos get two updated books, and people are still moaning that marines are getting more.

Talk about penis envy.

That Marine is sweet. I'm gonna paint mine like a Dark Angel. Heresy, I know.