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Do warriors get their reanimation protocol save if they were hit with a weapon that penetrated their armor?

I.E

a squad of necron warriors has 3 unsaved wounds from 3 meltaguns (the meltaguns hit and wounded) their armor cannot save them. Do they have the chance to get back up?

Reanimation protocols happen all the time. As long as they're not removed from play like a warp cannon ect. Nothing stops it really.

alright thanks and happy new year to you!

Models dont get their RP roll if they get destroyed in a sweeping advace, if the entire is killed in a single phase, or if they are faling back.

In all other instances, they get their RP roll.

BarBoBot wrote:or if they are faling back.

Only in the phase the unit falls back is the unit denied RP rolls, otherwise the unit still gets its RP rolls.

Just to clarify necrons don't get their RP if the entire squad is dead?

Does a Necron Overlord get his RP if he's alone and goes down?

shadowsnip wrote:Just to clarify necrons don't get their RP if the entire squad is dead?

Correct.

Does a Necron Overlord get his RP if he's alone and goes down?

I'm pretty sure he has Ever Living which allows the roll. If he only has RP, then no, he can't get back up.

BarBoBot wrote:Models dont get their RP roll if they get destroyed in a sweeping advace, if the entire is killed in a single phase, or if they are faling back.

In all other instances, they get their RP roll.

Not quite... you missed "anything that removes a model from play in a manner other than 'as a casualty' ie. warp cannons, jotww, tesseract labrynth etc.

Abilities that trigger on "remove as a casualty", also trigger on "remove from play". The SoB faq has a precedent on this.

Wrong. AS was explained to you in the previous thread.

Find a GENERAL answer about it and you would be right. This is a SPECIFIC answer about a SPECIFIC character giving THAT specific character an exemption to the usual rules

I'd avoid spreading untruths around the forum, as you get called on it.

The SoB faq is the first time ever that ruled how an ability that triggers on casualties interacts with remove from play effects. Since there is not any other contradictory rulings, the SoB faq makes a precedent on this.

copper.talos wrote:The SoB faq is the first time ever that ruled how an ability that triggers on casualties interacts with remove from play effects. Since there is not any other contradictory rulings, the SoB faq makes a precedent on this.

You are correct. It is the first time ever Celestine has been clarified as to how Celestine act when playing Celestine and how that specific rule interacts with Celestine.

FAQs does not create precedent, as GW has proven to be consistently inconsistent with their rulings.

The requirement for Celestine's rule is the same for RP and faqs do create a precedent when the cases are so similar...

As GW has show that they are quite willing to treat things very differently (for reasons unknown), FAQs simply cannot be considered as creating precedents.

While I am quite willing to use different rulings from different FAQs to help me resolve various issues, I cannot in good conscience say that FAQs in any way, shape or form create precedents.
Not any precedents that GW feel any kind of obligation to consistently follow......and if GW doesn't feel that their FAQs creates such an obligation...how can we?

Here in this same forum, faqs are used all the time to back up proposed rulings. I think you backed up nos when he proposed the WBB faq on the Last Laugh should be used as a precedent on how to treat JotWW and RP. Why suddenly this change of heart?

And I don't think betting on GW to do the wrong thing is a good argument...

I very well might have. I don't remember.

Like I said, I will look to the FAQs for help, but I will not present it as "precedent".


And likewise betting on GW doing the right thing (when it comes to a xenos codex) isn't a good bet either.

copper.talos wrote:Here in this same forum, faqs are used all the time to back up proposed rulings. I think you backed up nos when he proposed the WBB faq on the Last Laugh should be used as a precedent on how to treat JotWW and RP. Why suddenly this change of heart?

Because the Last Laugh FAQ contradicts the St. C FAQ.

Because of the nature of the St. C FAQ (in that it combines "as a casualty" and not as the same thing) it's an extreme change from the previous standard.
To take it as a precedent going forward has *far* more repercussions than just RP/EL.

Last Laugh allowed WBB. So where exactly is the contradiction?

Anyway LL removes models as a casualty. It is not a remove from play effect. So using LL's faq is actually pointless...

I woudl saythat Rp is not able to be used if the weapon/power in question makes them vanish from existence (whcih what a lot fo the things that say "remove from play" seem to do, wether it be falling in a bog hole or being tuened into vapour etc etc). if this happened then you woudl be unable to pop the model on its side as it is just.....gone, not shot to pieces or melted or chopped apart etc.


So, if a unit with RP may use it....UNLESS:

they are falling back
the unit has been wiped out
there is no wounded necron avaiable to get up (as it has been "removed from play")

There are many abilities that make you "vanish from existence" yet they most certainly allow RP.

Fluff is fluff, rules are rules.

Last Laugh allowed WBB because it was a remove from play as a casualty ability. I forget the wording and can't look it up atm, but the FAQ mentioned that fact. In other words, LL made a precedent for there to be a difference between RFPAAC abilities and not. St. C's FAQ contradicts this.

LL removes as a casualty.

Right - editing for clarity.

Copper - so, you still dont understand the difference between a specific FAQ answer and a general one.

Find a GENERAL one relating IN GENERAL to RfP, and you would have a point. Until then, you dont, and are still wrong

There is no general faq regarding the interaction of remove from play effects and abilities that trigger on casualties. None whatsoever.

The first ever ruling regarding this issue is that of St. Celestine, and that's why it makes a precedent.

copper.talos wrote:There is no general faq regarding the interaction of remove from play effects and abilities that trigger on casualties. None whatsoever.

There doesn't need to be - they are two separate triggers, pretty much by definition.

The first ever ruling regarding this issue is that of St. Celestine, and that's why it makes a precedent.

Except it changes a standard that has massive repercussions. The precedent it sets has been ruled the other way before - using it as a precedent on all rulings means going back and reversing those.

copper.talos wrote:There is no general faq regarding the interaction of remove from play effects and abilities that trigger on casualties. None whatsoever.

Ah, so you admit you are wrong? Good. You can stop now

copper.talos wrote:The first ever ruling regarding this issue is that of St. Celestine, and that's why it makes a precedent.

Ah, you spoilt it. No, the FAQ states what is only applicable to St Celestine, as it is VERY VERY VERY SPECIFIC to her and her alone.

No precedent can be used when it does not answer the general question.

I hereby declare this thread "HI-JACKED"

to the OP- yes they get their RPs.

lowmanjason wrote:I hereby declare this thread "HI-JACKED"

to the OP- yes they get their RPs.

Lol. Something tells me the OP stopped reading a while ago.

Question! Okay lets say i have one squad of immortals and one squad of warriors 3 inches apart. My last warrior gets an unsaved wound. Would he be able to get his RP since there are other necrons less than 6 inches away or does it have to be a a model that was a part of the unit he was in?