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Why? And why $50.00? Do 2 brushes make a set? What's the point of this thing. Curious.

But you get repackaged matte medium AND a super elite carrying case! As well as 2 mediocre brushes.

You know how many Rosemary&Co brushes I could get for $50? a crap ton.

Because they can, and because it will be purchased. Because the profit markup is so large that they can afford to only sell one in ten and still make money. Two is a couple, but set? I don't know, I guess. As to the point- it is a kit selling things previously unavailable to those who only shopped at GW for their hobby needs. Those of us aware that hobby supplies are made by companies other than GW will find no purpose for this.

I wouldn't put it past GW to do such a thing.

It is one of their more despicable money grabs. I bet their in store sales reps were suggesting it as a good christmas gift, preying on unsuspecting parents and wives. Very underhanded, and an example of how scummy their company is.

I love 40k, but games workshop is a horrible horrible company.

Horst wrote: bet their in store sales reps were suggesting it as a good christmas gift, preying on unsuspecting parents and wives.

I saw such a thing happen the other day while I was at my local games workshop. She actually fell for the "THESE R THE BESTEST BRUSHES IN THE HOLE WORLDZ!" speech he gave her.

If it were a little cheaper I could see getting it just for the tin, but there are other, better brush cases out there that I can slap a sticker on.

/could put money on nobody in this thread having used the brushes.


I have the set. The medium is like a wash without pigment, so you can make your own washes, glazes and tints. Nothing too special, and other companies have been doing the same for years, but still a usefull tool.

The brushes are fantastic, and by far the best I've ever used. Over here in the UK you're looking at between £9-£12 for a Windsor and Newton Series 9 brush, depending on size. I'm use that range of brushes as an example because they're the closest I've used to the new Citadel ones. Kolinsky Sable, handmade, hicely balanced and shaped etc.

If we average that at £10 then the brush set is pretty much on price point.

Standard Brush: £10
Basecoat Brush: £10
Medium x 2: £4.60
Nice tin: £6.40

But anyways. I liked them, whether they're worth $50/£31 is entierly up to you.

$15 is a ton for a brush regardless of quality. You can get R&C or W&N brushes for less than half that, and they are both the pinnacle of brushes for the hobby.

If they sold everything separately they'd make more money just buy selling the tin. Better brushes exist, and better/cheaper matte mediums exist. Hell you can get like 8oz of matte medium for $6.87 online, which is 8 times what you get in that pack for less money than you have it written as.

BTW, if you are paying 9 pounds(about $14US) for an $8 brush you are being taken for a ride.

I'm sorry but there is not justification for buying this set other than as a gift from someone who doesn't know any better.

AG. wrote:/could put money on nobody in this thread having used the brushes.


I have the set. The medium is like a wash without pigment, so you can make your own washes, glazes and tints. Nothing too special, and other companies have been doing the same for years, but still a usefull tool.

The brushes are fantastic, and by far the best I've ever used. Over here in the UK you're looking at between £9-£12 for a Windsor and Newton Series 9 brush, depending on size. I'm use that range of brushes as an example because they're the closest I've used to the new Citadel ones. Kolinsky Sable, handmade, hicely balanced and shaped etc.

If we average that at £10 then the brush set is pretty much on price point.

Standard Brush: £10
Basecoat Brush: £10
Medium x 2: £4.60
Nice tin: £6.40

But anyways. I liked them, whether they're worth $50/£31 is entierly up to you.

I have it on good authority W&N make the 'EM brushes. Given their behaviour (the 'EM brushes and W&N) I'm inclined to believe it. IMO it's an expensive (but not disgustingly so) set, but would make a nice gift.

Edit: My last W&N S7 purchase was about £11. I only really use them on competition grade stuff now, for general dog work they wear out. :-(

Why are Series 7 so expensive in the UK?

$9 for a size 0 which is currently 5.8 pounds sterling(don't know how to type the symbol)

W&N series 7 are between $12-15 for me locally. Even online, where you can't inspect the brush before you purchase it, they are not that much cheaper.

http://www.dickblick.com/products/winsor-and-newton-series-7-kolinsky-sable-miniature-brushes/

size 1 is still $10 online and you have no idea if the tip will be damaged when it gets to you. Also, where are you buying R&C brushes, I've seen several people toot that horn, yet I cannot seem to be able to find them, can you provide a link please? I would be interested in trying them out.

Ah, I don't use the miniature range, I use the watercolour range; longer bristles and easier flow control.

winterdyne wrote:Ah, I don't use the miniature range, I use the watercolour range; longer bristles and easier flow control.

Can you recommend some particular sizes/types of brush?

Aerethan wrote:But you get repackaged matte medium AND a super elite carrying case! As well as 2 mediocre brushes.

You know how many Rosemary&Co brushes I could get for $50? a crap ton.

They are not mediocre brushes, the brushes are equal in quality to W&N series 7. They are over priced and the set is pointless unless your a collecter, but the brushes themselves are up there with the best.

I got this, not used it used it yet. Some of you grinches are ruining my Christmas present buzz.

As the why W&N are expensive here, who knows. Their British, based in London and are listed as By Appointment to HRH Chuck. They also state they make the finest artist materials and we all know who else does that! But stuff generally seems to be cheaper in the US, airbrushed is a good simile so there we go.

I just go get my brushes from Hobby Lobby, get four decent brushes for less than 10.00. GW brushes are just a waste of money. Also, glad I have not gone to a GW store. At least the local store here did not order or stock those overpriced set of brushes.

notprop wrote:I got this, not used it used it yet. Some of you grinches are ruining my Christmas present buzz.

As the why W&N are expensive here, who knows. Their British, based in London and are listed as By Appointment to HRH Chuck. They also state they make the finest artist materials and we all know who else does that! But stuff generally seems to be cheaper in the US, airbrushed is a good simile so there we go.

Its a pretty good gift actually, no need to feel bad about them.

Suks wrote:W&N series 7 are between $12-15 for me locally. Even online, where you can't inspect the brush before you purchase it, they are not that much cheaper.

http://www.dickblick.com/products/winsor-and-newton-series-7-kolinsky-sable-miniature-brushes/

size 1 is still $10 online and you have no idea if the tip will be damaged when it gets to you. Also, where are you buying R&C brushes, I've seen several people toot that horn, yet I cannot seem to be able to find them, can you provide a link please? I would be interested in trying them out.

https://www.rosemaryandco.com/index.php?cPath=275_365

I recommend UK buyers check them out too as their size 1 is 3.7 pounds sterling which is less than half what they are paying for W&N brushes, and these are kolinsky sable hand made brushes just the same.

For more recommendations on R&C: http://warhammer.org.uk/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=89516

5 pages of people loving the Rosemary & Co brushes. They are without a doubt the best value for top quality out there.

AG. wrote:/could put money on nobody in this thread having used the brushes.

/implying us hobbiest are never exposed to products out side of GW that are SUPERIOR.

Medium isnt created by GW, people have being using it for ages, for cheaper as well.

Exactly, I don't have to use the brushes to know they are over priced. I know what the perfect brush costs, and it isn't $50 for 2. It's about $5.5 plus shipping...

Aerethan wrote:BTW, if you are paying 9 pounds(about $14US) for an $8 brush you are being taken for a ride.

and welcome to the UK - Did I mention that I was reading in the newspaper this morning that petrol (by the summer) will be in excess of £1.40 a litre. Some of the daily papers call our country "rip-off Britain"

moan moan grumble grumble

I agree that the set is overpriced. I believe you are really paying for the 'EM name. Now I hear you guys compare these brushes in the set to W&N brushes, how would you compare the Army Painter Wargamer range of brushes?

P.s- I am sorry for this question but I think it a total waste to start a new thread for this question. I am an idiot when it comes to brushes, does 3/0 mean the same thing as 000 or no?

Because it's a shiny metal Tin Pete!

I know you want one, if not two!

Ooh, I'll have to try the Rosemary and Co brushes. I use a Windsor and Newton series 7 size 0 right now for detail work, but I want some nice bigger brushes too.

LunaHound wrote:

AG. wrote:/could put money on nobody in this thread having used the brushes.

/implying us hobbiest are never exposed to products out side of GW that are SUPERIOR.

Medium isnt created by GW, people have being using it for ages, for cheaper as well.

No it doesn't.

What I was implying was that the comments bashing the brush set were based on a pre-concieved notion of the quality:price ratio of GW's popular product range, not an actual trial of the products in question.

The Medium in the set is created based on a propriotary formula for Games Workshop.

Medium works because it is the stuff that holds pigment together in paint. For the best results you should use the same brand of Medium as you do paint, GW for GW, Vallejo for Vallejo etc etc, because the chemical make up is the same as is in the paint - and therefore the pigment is distributed in as natural a way as possible.

AG. wrote:

LunaHound wrote:

AG. wrote:/could put money on nobody in this thread having used the brushes.

/implying us hobbiest are never exposed to products out side of GW that are SUPERIOR.

Medium isnt created by GW, people have being using it for ages, for cheaper as well.

No it doesn't.

What I was implying was that the comments bashing the brush set were based on a pre-concieved notion of the quality:price ratio of GW's popular product range, not an actual trial of the products in question.

The Medium in the set is created based on a propriotary formula for Games Workshop.

Medium works because it is the stuff that holds pigment together in paint. For the best results you should use the same brand of Medium as you do paint, GW for GW, Vallejo for Vallejo etc etc, because the chemical make up is the same as is in the paint - and therefore the pigment is distributed in as natural a way as possible.

Just no. Matte Medium is the same across the board. It serves the same purpose for every paint. GW's medium isn't some magic medium that makes things better. It is just repackaged matte medium from someone who already makes it.

Just no?


Excellent way of winning an argument.

I'm not saying GW's medium is 'some magic medium that makes things better' at all am I? I'm saying that it works better with GW paints than other brands. Just as it wont work as well with Vallejo as a Vallejo Medium will.

It hardly matters, as you can only get it in the brush set. How about we settle on 'you should use a medium, rather than water, to thin your paints to create glazes and washes'.

How's that?

I got completely lectured at by a manager in my old local GW the other day about this. I only went in for 2 paints, I knew what I wanted, it was our last stop off after an afternoon in town and we just wanted to go in, get paints and leave. Clearly, impossible.

Manager: "here's a guy who knows what he wants" as I walk directly to the paint stand
Me: "That's right, just these please" handing the paints across the till.

Now he doesn't scan the paints throughout the till or anything he asks me what I'm working on, I tell him just bought the 'Eavy Metal masterclass book and I'm going to practise the Sicarius tutorial on some old plastic SM and just need these two paints.

Manager: "Oh you'll be needing the 'Eavy Metal brush set then"
Me: "Not really, I have some brushes I like already thanks"
Manager:"They're not as good as these though, these are HAND MADE (genuinely shouting at this point) KOLINISKLY(sp) SABLE THE BEST EVER"
Me:"It's fine really, I picked up some W&N Series 7 on eBay for like £7 a piece and they're perfect for me"
Manager:"I don't think you understand me, these are the BEST BRUSHES YOU CAN BUY, THEY'RE HAND MADE!!! BETTER THAN THE REGULAR GW CRAP!"

At this point my girlfriend was really annoyed with this guy for talking at me like I didn't know what I wanted, what a good brush was, and we really just wanted to get out of there.

Manager:"But they're only £31! So much value"
GF:"No I don't think so, that's a lot of money!"

This went on for a while and he seemed genuinely upset about the whole scenario.

Manager:" With brushes like this you can enter our competition in store and maybe make it onto the GW blog!"
Me:"Oh I've already been on it once thanks"

He then just gave up and said good bye and turned his back on us.

Unreal.

Sorry about the rant there I got carried away, but the summary is; too much moneh...

AG. wrote:Just no?


Excellent way of winning an argument.

I'm not saying GW's medium is 'some magic medium that makes things better' at all am I? I'm saying that it works better with GW paints than other brands. Just as it wont work as well with Vallejo as a Vallejo Medium will.

It hardly matters, as you can only get it in the brush set. How about we settle on 'you should use a medium, rather than water, to thin your paints to create glazes and washes'.

How's that?

What proof do you have that GW medium works "better" with GW paint? What proof do you have that it's even made by GW and not repackaged? GW's "word"? These are the same people who say that every finecast model is the pinnacle of model making when flaws abound.

Medium is medium, regardless of whose name is on the bottle.

The point stands, that the brush set is $50 for a tin brush holder and not much else.