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This is an Out Flanking Mech list. Uncle Al and his Platoon outflank (obviously) acting as the Hammer, while the rest of the army plays the role of the Anvil. The Vet Plas squad can camp in objective games.

Tell me what you think, I hope to be trying this at my FLGS next week. Here's the list!



CCS: Officer of the Fleet, Astropath, Lascannon = 130

Psyker Battle Squad: 4 Additional Psykers, Chimera = 155

Vets 3 Plasmas, Chimera = 170

Vets: 3 Meltas, Chimera with ML/HHF = 155

Vets: 3 Meltas, Chimera with ML/HHF = 155

Platoon

PCS: Uncle Al, 3 Flamers, Chimera with ML/HHF = 170

PIS: Melta Gun, Chimera with ML/HHF = 105

PIS: Melta Gun, Chimera with ML/HHF = 105

PIS: Melta Gun, Chimera with ML/HHF = 105


My main concern is my lack in the Heavy Support department. C&C welcome! Thanks

Looks like a mechanized melta list. Why the CCS all by itself in the open? I'd drop the LC and advisors, get them some plasma and chimera and go all-in mechanized.

murdog wrote:Looks like a mechanized melta list. Why the CCS all by itself in the open? I'd drop the LC and advisors, get them some plasma and chimera and go all-in mechanized.

Well, hes said he wants to try an outflanking list. I dont see how saying to completely reverse what he wanted in a list is helpfull!

What i'd suggest is maybe getting rid of that psker battle squad and having a pick of the heavy support if you're still wanting to have it in the anvil, maybe it can give a bite back!!
I use many artillary pieces (preferred one for me is basilisks) as they have quite a punch while your troops are still in reserve.

needs MOAR cowbell.

honestly... i think it needs some punch. all your high power weapons are close range infnatry. some long range armor support could be useful. perhaps a basi or a LRBT?

Yarrick The Necron wrote:

murdog wrote:Looks like a mechanized melta list. Why the CCS all by itself in the open? I'd drop the LC and advisors, get them some plasma and chimera and go all-in mechanized.

Well, hes said he wants to try an outflanking list. I dont see how saying to completely reverse what he wanted in a list is helpfull!

What i'd suggest is maybe getting rid of that psker battle squad and having a pick of the heavy support if you're still wanting to have it in the anvil, maybe it can give a bite back!!
I use many artillary pieces (preferred one for me is basilisks) as they have quite a punch while your troops are still in reserve.

I don't see how putting the CCS in a chimera is reverses the outflanking - Uncle Al is taking care of that.

Long range AT isn't even the number one concern to me... Man, you better hope you don't roll a 1 or 2 for reserves Turn 2, because you might not have much left Turn 3.

I originally had the list at 1500 pts and had a LRBT, but I lowered the pointage because I like smaller games.

Would it be worth in to drop a Melta Vet squad for a LRBT? I would drop the Psykers, but they are the most recent addition to my army and I was trying to get some games in with them.

If you could think of a really good way to bumb it up to 1500 I would be interested, I just couldnt find a good way to spend the last 100 points. (After adding a LRBT).

Thanks for all the replies.

Alright, I reshaped the list quite a bit, and this is what I came up with.

Note: I added the Ratlings strictly because I had 30 points left over and didn't know where to put them.

CCS: Astropath, 4 Plasmas, Chimera with ML/HHF = 195

Psyker Battle Squad: 4 Additional Psykers, Chimera = 155

3 Ratlings = 30

Vets: 3 Meltas, Chimera with ML/HHF = 155

Platoon:

PCS: Uncle Al, 4 Flamers, Chimera with ML/HHF = 175

PIS: Melta Gun, Chimera with ML/HHF = 105

PIS: Melta Gun, Chimera with ML/HHF = 105

PIS: Melta Gun, Chimera with ML/HHF = 105

Leman Russ Battle Tank = 150

Hydra Flak Tank = 75


Its A bit more aggressive now I think, and with a little extra firepower. Let me know what you think. Thanks.

looking at your updated list, I like most of the changes but would urge a few more.

Warboss Zarruk wrote:Alright, I reshaped the list quite a bit, and this is what I came up with.

Note: I added the Ratlings strictly because I had 30 points left over and didn't know where to put them.

CCS: Astropath, 4 Plasmas, Chimera with ML/HHF = 195 I agree about dropping OotF. CCS now seems like a nice mobile threat

Psyker Battle Squad: 4 Additional Psykers, Chimera = 155 Might get more milage out of a LRBT here. Sometimes hard to focus fire and force a morale check at 1250, especially on turn one with your platoon off the table. Flexibility of the PBS is nice but so it the durability and range of the LRBT

3 Ratlings = 30 Would love to see Marbo squeeze in here. I think he fits your theme/points level well

Vets: 3 Meltas, Chimera with ML/HHF = 155 common choices are usually common choices for a reason. good stuff, although I'm guessing their primary use for you is as a 2nd troops choice to adhere to the force org requirements

Platoon:

PCS: Uncle Al, 4 Flamers, Chimera with ML/HHF = 175

PIS: Melta Gun, Chimera with ML/HHF = 105

PIS: Melta Gun, Chimera with ML/HHF = 105

PIS: Melta Gun, Chimera with ML/HHF = 105

I wish there was a few more threats in Al's platoon. hard to do at 1250. maybe a SWS with 2-3 demo charges?

Leman Russ Battle Tank = 150

Hydra Flak Tank = 75

Its A bit more aggressive now I think, and with a little extra firepower. Let me know what you think. Thanks.

Overall, I like the idea of a hammer and anvil strategy with Al's platoon and some heavies like Hydras and LRBTs. You might also consider a very mobile hammer and hammer strategy, dropping the heavies for fasts like Vendettas or Hell Hounds. Either way, if you are going to run Al, be sure to read up on what is possible and what is not when outflanking with a single troops choice that has multiple units in it.

Edit: I found an old 1500 Al'rahem list I was thinking about trying. Never did try it.


Troops: Infantry Platoon (555 pts)
Platoon Command Squad + Meltagun x4 + Captain Al'rahem
1 Chimera w/ HHF
Infantry Squad
1 Commissar
1 Sergeant
1 Chimera w/ HHF
Infantry Squad
1 Sergeant + Melta Bombs
1 Chimera w/ HHF
Infantry Squad
1 Sergeant + Melta Bombs
1 Chimera w/ HHF

HQ: Company Command Squad (155 pts)
Company Command Squad + Grenade Launcher x4
1 Company Commander
1 Astropath
1 Chimera w/ HHF

Elite: Guardsman Marbo (65 pts)
1 Guardsman Marbo

Fast Attack: Vendetta Gunship Squadron (140 pts)
1 Vendetta + Heavy Bolter Sponsons x2

Fast Attack: Vendetta Gunship Squadron (140 pts)
1 Vendetta + Heavy Bolter Sponsons x2

Fast Attack: Vendetta Gunship Squadron (140 pts)
1 Vendetta + Heavy Bolter Sponsons x2

Heavy Support: Hydra Flak Tank Battery (75 pts)
1 Hydra Flak Tank

Heavy Support: Hydra Flak Tank Battery (75 pts)
1 Hydra Flak Tank

Troops: Veteran Squad (155 pts)
Veteran Squad + Meltagun x3
1 Veteran Sergeant
1 Chimera w/ HHF

Drop one Vendetta and the 3rd IS from Al's platoon and its 1250.

Hey foolishmortal, thanks for the response. I like your list alot, but I don't have any Vendettas at the moment (unfortunately lol).

My main reason for using the PBS as opposed to the LRBT is that first of all, I only have one LRBT haha. I also just got the PBS and was excited to use them.
But the more tactical reason is that they are an amazing counter for deathstar units. Yes concentrated fire at 1250 can be hard, but it can be done. Plus the flexibility is nice, so I can still throw down another pie plate if either the deathstar unit is dead, or there never was one.

On your point about Marbo over the Ratlings.. I completely agree, he would be much better there. But I don't know where I would get another 35 points to make the change. On the plus side, they at least can gain some strategic locations with Infiltrate. But nonetheless, Rambo would be far superior.

I like your idea about a SWS with a Demo Charge to come in with Uncle Al , any ideas on where to find an extra 70 points?

Thanks again for the response.

"it's a new unit I got, and I am itching to try it" and "I don't have that other thingie you mentioned" are both incredibly valid reasons for unit selection IMO.

I do still think the PBS fits better in a Mech IG or Gunline than a low points outflankery. Maybe develop a different list that makes better use of it. Meanwhile, if you drop the Ratlings and PBS, you can add marbo and a demo squad or another chi-melta vets.

I think your revised list is perfectly playable, even with the ratlings and psykers. Try it (or something close) out for a game or 3 and decide for yourself what works. Or better yet, tell dakka how it did against what and we'll take another swing at it.

edit: Vendettas are ridiculously good. If your finances allow it, get at least 3 and abuse them before any possible nerfs in 6th ed.

Well technically, this is a IG Mech list, just with a very low amount of Melta Vets. If they do end up sucking then I will most certainly take them out. But for now I think I'll just run with this list for a while.

Yeah, I am looking into trying to get a few Vendettas, I was thinking I could do some sort of helicopter conversion, to keep the price down.

EDIT: I was referring to the PBS possibly sucking.. forgot to specify.

murdog wrote:

Yarrick The Necron wrote:

murdog wrote:Looks like a mechanized melta list. Why the CCS all by itself in the open? I'd drop the LC and advisors, get them some plasma and chimera and go all-in mechanized.

Well, hes said he wants to try an outflanking list. I dont see how saying to completely reverse what he wanted in a list is helpfull!

What i'd suggest is maybe getting rid of that psker battle squad and having a pick of the heavy support if you're still wanting to have it in the anvil, maybe it can give a bite back!!
I use many artillary pieces (preferred one for me is basilisks) as they have quite a punch while your troops are still in reserve.

I don't see how putting the CCS in a chimera is reverses the outflanking - Uncle Al is taking care of that.

Sorry about that. I read your comment completely wrong :S