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I put the eavy armor for a shoota squad with a rokkit launcha so they last longer agaisnt vehicles and troops shooting at them what do you use?

I stick 12 in a Trukk and throw them at something.

12x 'Ard Boyz
Slugga Choppa
1 Upgraded to a Nob with Power Klaw & Boss Pole
1 Trukk

Chuck 'em at something on foot or about to be on foot. Preferably something without a tonne of power weapons.

Decoration on my shelf, sadly.

The only place where they truly shine is in transports, and battlewagon lists usually lack the points to afford the upgrade.

I would use them in a battlewagon only. Trukk is viable too.

You need the mobility to be able to pick their targets. As Weaver said, something that doesn't have power weapons. Tactical marines are a good example.

so shootas are a bad idea? is there any advantage to having shoota 'eavy boyz?

30 'ard boyz can take a surprising amount of firepower, and if they're in front of the other boyz in a green tide list, can provide the needed 4+ cover for everyone else.

I think, in the early days of the ork codex, someone ran 30 ard boyz with ghaz and mad doc grotsnik at the front of their army at a GT and won it. Of course, that was before everyone was meched up.

Personally, I think the Mad Doc is a bit of a liability due to fury, but if you're playing in a group that allows IA rules and units, a painboss from IA8 can grant that same feel-no-pain benefit.

I saw a Dok +ghaz+Ardboy+cybork list this weekend. It was unreal how much carnage that unit did, it killed everything including , well everything. I think if you mixed some armor with it and did some sort of running deffdread wall/loota support with it and got some rokkits it could handle the mech.

Ard boyz aren't good for much, besides losing you games.

'Ard Boyz are awesome. Too bad 3 cost as much as 5 regular Boyz. Too much AP4 floating around the game right now to make them survivable against the uncountable shots coming their way. I use Battlewagons to armour my Boyz, with KFFs.

Redbeard wrote:30 'ard boyz can take a surprising amount of firepower, and if they're in front of the other boyz in a green tide list, can provide the needed 4+ cover for everyone else.

I think, in the early days of the ork codex, someone ran 30 ard boyz with ghaz and mad doc grotsnik at the front of their army at a GT and won it. Of course, that was before everyone was meched up.

Personally, I think the Mad Doc is a bit of a liability due to fury, but if you're playing in a group that allows IA rules and units, a painboss from IA8 can grant that same feel-no-pain benefit.

Though, to be fair, you could have just placed 30 gretchin in front of those 30 boyz for the same point costs and effect. Or 29 for a 13 point discount. And gretchin might even kill something by accident., 'eavy armor less likely.

Not at all. The gretchin are considerably easier to clear away.

One unit of tactical marines rapid firing will kill enough grots to force a morale test, and while they've got a re-roll, they're still only Ld 7. That same unit of marines firing at the 'ard boyz is likely to kill 3 boyz, and only half that if the dok is with them.

They're a lot of points, but they're a lot of points that aren't going away quickly.

The difference is that you now have 30 boyz, 13 points and maybe a few gretchin left, while on the other hand, you have 27 boyz left
A pain boss is a great HQ to put with boyz either way.

That math also falls apart as soon as you are facing heavy bolters, heavy flamers, battle cannons, EML or about any other anti-horde weapon, which all happen to have AP4.

Also note that ld7 with a reroll is roughly equivalent to ld9, so gretchin aren't as likely to run away from shooting as it seems.

Sure. They're much easier to assault out of the way.

This, however, isn't meant to be a comparison of grots to 'ard boyz. The OP asked what do you use 'ard boyz for. If I use them, I used them as my front line bullet catchers.

Stick them smack band in the middle of my hoard then hope they stand up the enough anti-infantry fire to allow my other boys to get into combat relatively unmolested

I use mine to waste points for when I need to handicap myself. Same thing goes for mekboyz and walking meganobz. Anybody actually think that it is worth spending 120 pts on giving a mob of mooks a better save? 120 points get quite a bit in an ork list, why not just buy another battlewagon or some lootas instead.

30 'Ard Boyz with choppas and sluggas, three big shootas and a PK Nob. They last against most small arms fire and destroy everything in hand to hand combat. I personally find they'e useful in attrition fight against blob guard and nids, as where other boyz can end up in protracted combats against their respective horde counterparts, the 'Ard boyz can survive much more, increasing the speed at which you destroy the enemy and ultimately break their battle line.

If I'm running ard boyz, then I've got the mad doc attached to the squad. Tends to work well. I watched as 1500 points of guard could barely make a dent in the mob one game.

Their best used as a big target so the rest of your boyz can get to krumpin distance. pop them in the front so the rest of your army is behind them. They last longer than Grots, and can actually kill things if they do get into close combat.

I have never used 'ard boyz myself. All of my boyz are usually in transports and fighting things that negate their armor anyway.

Full 30, with 3 big shootas, attached to Zogwort.

With a bit of luck he bamf's them across the table, and they proceed to shoot the scrud out of something.

Not necessarily the most mathematically optimal use for them, but i enjoy it