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HQ: Haemonculus
Liquifier Gun

Elite:5 Kabalite Trueborn
Blaster x4
Venom
2xSplinter Cannon

5 Kabalite Trueborn
Blaster x4
Venom
2xSplinter Cannon

5 Kabalite Trueborn
Blaster x4
Venom
2xSplinter Cannon

Troops: 5 Kabalite Warriors
Blaster x1
Venom
2xSplinter Cannon

5 Kabalite Warriors
Blaster x1
Venom
2xSplinter Cannon

5 Kabalite Warriors
Blaster x1
Venom
2xSplinter Cannon

5 Kabalite Warriors
Blaster x1
Raider
Flickerfield

5 Kabalite Warriors
Blaster x1
Raider
Flickerfield

5 Kabalite Warriors
Blaster x1
Raider
Flickerfield


Fast Attack:9 Reavers
Blaster x3

Heavy Support: Ravager
Night Shields, Flickerfield

Ravager
Night Shields, Flickerfield

Ravager
Night Shields, Flickerfield

Pretty basic Venom spam. Just lookin to see if you guys think I should change somethings here or there. Thanks for any advice!!

Thats a boring list but ultimately very effective.

Im not a huge Reaver fan and would rather field Incubi with the Haemy for a free FNP token.....

One boat load of Wyches is nice for at least 1 hth unit.

Overall I played a similar list tonight and won both games....

I has 2 boats of wyches and the Incubi but the HQ,HS and most venoms were the same.

Things here or there i would change

-Truborns down to 4 (or even 3). extra bodies wont help them stay alive longer, and they will just cost more when they die.

-Reavers shelved. thats a lotta points for very little return.

-some wyches. I use one squad, some use two, they are to tarpit some special weapons, an auto dread, or some sort of shooty weapon you wont be able stop with a few splinter cannon shots. (also a good spot for a haemy)

-(optional) special character. Ok so they are costly and such, but they are fun to have around, adding a little shinanigans to such a point and shoot army. I use the Baron (for the roll off) or
even vect if the points allow. Even played a fun game with Drahzar recently, and it was fun!

Thanks for the advice. What if i took out the jet bikes and put in Vect. Thoughts?

He is never worth the points... You rarely see him on a list.

I would rather take another Haemy for the FNP Token and extra Liq Gun.


And yes Drop the TB down to 4 as that is the max number of Blasters you can have. Those 30 odd points can be spent killing something =]

SO for the wyches what would be the best way to upgrade them. I was going to just give them haywire and that was it or would it be worth give them an agoniser?

You need 1 Hekatrix with an Agon MINIMUM.... Haywire is ok if you have the points to add it; as this hth unit can then also be used as AT. Wych Weapons I find to be Meh at best for the points.....

So stick to basic wyches with a hek and agon.

see I was kinda meh on the Heywires cause every time i use them to anti tank they get themselves killed in the explosion. So im kinda in a situation where i do want a few good hth units but i dont want to lose and anti tank by dropping the warriors and im kinda tired of the wyches getting themselves killed.


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HQ: Haemonculus
Liquifier Gun

Haemonculus
Liquifier Gun

Elite:4 Kabalite Trueborn
Blaster x4
Venom
2xSplinter Cannon

4 Kabalite Trueborn
Blaster x4
Venom
2xSplinter Cannon

4 Kabalite Trueborn
Blaster x4
Venom
2xSplinter Cannon

Troops: 5 Kabalite Warriors
Blaster x1
Venom
2xSplinter Cannon

5 Kabalite Warriors
Blaster x1
Venom
2xSplinter Cannon

5 Kabalite Warriors
Blaster x1
Venom
2xSplinter Cannon

5 Kabalite Warriors
Blaster x1
Raider
Flickerfield

9xWyches
Hekatrix, Agoniser
Raider
Flickerfield

9xWyches
Hekatrix, Agoniser
Raider
Flickerfield

Heavy Support: Ravager
Night Shields, Flickerfield

Ravager
Night Shields, Flickerfield

Ravager
Night Shields, Flickerfield


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And i still have 101 pts just floatin that im not as sure what to do with

9 wyches and a Hek? 10 man unit?

you need 9 man units so you can stick the Haemys with them in a raider. so 8 wyches and a Hek w/Agon...

You want that FNP on them, then leave the wyches in h2h and the Haemy on the Raider running around spraying his flamer template.


And ditch the night shields they are a waste.

Sorry when i put 9 that includes the Hek. My bad on how the list appears. Ok so then Im at 131 left over any other suggestions?

Well you have no HS, Troop or Elite slots to fill anymore.....

What about a tooled up Arhcon with huskblade and Shadowfield? Maybe take 1 wych off and stick him on that raider and he can go in and mush some ass too..... That build would be close to 130 pts.... plus ten pts you get rid of from the wych.

I hate DE Fast Attack they are so blargh.....Left over points can go into Haywire Grenades on the wyches without the archon... or just tolling things up in general.

If you drop your Night Shields, how about the Duke? Maybe not in every list, but he can redefine how you play if he's there - your WHOLE army could Deep Strike

Plus the Wyches would be extremely effective with his drugs reroll.

But yeah, Haywire grenades or maybe a tooled up Archon would be my choice of points fillers

DS runs the risk of comming in piecemeal, which is a death sentence, and Vect isn't that bad at higher point games (like this) so he may be a decent choice, but Milisim and I can debate that over in tactics. I'd also swap out the one raider on the Wariors for a venom w/ 2SC. Drop the NS on the Ravagers since if you target something that threates them. Odds are they will be able to hit you back, ie a lascannon or autocannon. Then go ahead and buy your wyches a razorflail. The redeeming quality of haywires is if you get charged by a dread you still have a chance to escape, even if the explosion (how many 6s do you roll?) takes some of them out.

Just a bit of a rules query on your statement Akroma....

Isn't H2H with a walker 6's to hit, then you need another 6 to penetrate with the Hay wire... Then you need to roll another 6 to get it to explode?

Since grenade attacks on walker require 6 to hit you also only get 1 attack with each grenade.

To me going into H2H with a dreadnaught pretty much means a giant Tarpit for most of the game....

That was my point. He said that he is always exploding a vehicle with the haywires and killing his squad. On a normal that is a minimum of a 6 to pen and a 6 to glance. Those aren't good odds.
Also it is necessarily that it is a walker that makes it 1 attack, its that it is a vehicle that you get 1 swing with a grenade.
Tarpits aren't bad. Stopping a rifleman ven dread (or let alone psyrifleman ven dread for the game can save you so much at the expense of one squad, that isn't hosed. Consider 2 swings back at you, one hit, one wound, coin flip on the save vs 1-2 hits and both at least glance. It is atleast a shot. Which is better than nothing.

I 100% agree with you I thought you were saying haywires were decent at taking out the dread, but in reality its a slim slim chance but better than none at all. =]

Yeah, if you found something (not the talos) in our book good at killing dreads let me know! Yes it is better slim than none. Even if you charge a vehicle like a russ you can get some free movement out of it so as to pull the wyches out of LoS. Never understimate the power of getting 6 more inches. Even if you fail you may take one of them with you!

Akroma06 wrote: Never understimate the power of getting 6 more inches. !

That's what she said.


Sorry, it's been an excruciating day at work, carry on .

ShadarLogoth wrote:

Akroma06 wrote: Never understimate the power of getting 6 more inches. !

That's what she said.
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^ This = Winning!

I like your list a lot. I field a similar list, and it usually does well. It never does fine tho. a DE list like this either kills or gets killed. There is no middle ground, in my experience.

/agree on the NSs. wasted points =/ Unless you put them on your venoms, they can save you against Rapid Fire. But they will prolly get grounded if targeted anyway, so prolly a waste there as well.

Depending on what you generally go up against, a husked archon with ST or an agoniser succubus is cool, to single out those pesky ICs your opponent is bound to field. You don't have much a counter against MCs or ICs atm.

Akroma06 wrote:Yeah, if you found something (not the talos) in our book good at killing dreads let me know!

Blasters. But yeah, figuring your meaning CC. Been doing a bit of this mathhammer stuff recently, and 1 wych with a grenade had a 0%/0% chance of Explode/destroy. Lol. 9 of them made that 4%/4%, which over the course of a few rounds may destroy the vehicle.

Wrt the dying in the explosions, I feel your pain. Especially when it counts to combat res. I did accidently discover that the multi-charge can mitigate this some with inter-laced units. It just comes naturally with keeping your footprint large on a mutli-charge. 4+/4+ is nice.

Wrt the list:

HQ - msu standard, one for each wych squad. Good
Elite - blasterborn msu, fine. The problem for me with this is when im looking at the points in the excel sheet, given its suicide type roll, 4 is a bit costly. 3 could be done to give points in a different place.
Troops - No fat in here and I agree with the raider option. I imagine this is your base holder. My local meta is tank heavy and I like a few raiders in there to boost the ranged anti-tank. 1 Ravager shooting at a Night Scythe (assuming range is ok) has a 17%/17% chance, this means I need to focus 3 ravagers to "confirm" the kill. If I can refuse flank and focus the fire here initially, it may be possible to mitigate the return fire somewhat which is where the NS come in. Its not the unit we are shooting at that is worrying, with solid "redundant" shooting that should die, its the other stuff coming in to counter shoot. The base holder unit could be 3 wracks to save 30 points.
Fast - ..
Heavy - no issues. In the list you have given them NS and not the other vehicles. I'm guessing you are going to hang these at long range and try to get the full game of shooting in while other targets are easier to hit. I'm a NS fan. Maybe better use for the points though, kinda all or none with NS.

So basically there is nothing wrong with the list except you have to spend some points on non efficient stuff. Boo. Its clear we are all blasterborn crazy, but maybe 4 are too many and maybe 3 squads not necessary for what basically becomes a through away unit if used aggressively that has a 22%/22% chance to kill a Night Scythe. A unit of 3 has a 17%17% chance. I think taking Vect in the list is counter-intuitive to the DE approach of cheap stuff that deals death, so where do the points go? Fast stuff doesn't really fit as this stands, which leads us to..

The Baron
With Hellions. At least 12.

Why? Wyches are our best units (yes?), I have had the luck of getting a few games in recently and they have been my consistent star players. But its like having vegemite without bread, the hellions (or harlequins) with the hit and run link the combats tarpited by the wyches beautifully. Boo to the new suggested 6th rules of 3" h'a'r. You need a higher number of hellions for the conga line "get over here". H'a'r can be 18" in their turn, 12" move, 6" fleet, 6" charge, thats a footprint tag of 42", if you have the conga line to link back to the wyches tarpit. Needs a few bodies.

So, I've got 6 Reavers sitting on my table and just itching to be painted. I read all over the place how ineffective they are and how they never make their points back, yet when I actually see them in a game (I have yet to play them) it is the exact opposite. They are a harassing unit that gets an invulnerable save if they do their 36 inch rush, right? With their bladevanes in the bottom and a few Long Fangs in view, just rush them right up that gut. They don't have to take a Difficult/Dangerous terrain check unless they end their movement within the terrain. They're jetbikes right? They can do that... Fly right past it... Cause wounds to a unit that pass over... Don't have to take a dangerous terrain check...

Again, I've never PERSONALLY fielded them (I am still a relatively new DE player), but I think the OP should at least test them out first before doing what so many others have done and placed them on the shelf.

They are able to rush right past that group, cause some serious wounds, and are set up to shoot the rear off of a Rhino next turn. If the opponent chooses to engage that unit, that leaves at least 1 unit that is turned away and shooting at my reavers.

I think the problem with the theory is that after you do your zoom thing and get close to the enemy, something with a bit out clout smacks you in CC and you die. They are a pretty expensive scarificial unit.

Good for WWP list?

Could be true, but guess what that enemy with clout isn't doing? At 6 (what I'd take) and even 9, they are pretty dang expensive just to do something gimmicky... Gimicy... Gimmic... whatever, you get what I'm stepping in, surely.

The enemy with clout will be doing what it is supposed to be doing, eating points that foolishly got to close.