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after much debaate that a haemonculi coven list would be just BAD and decided that the Wych theme is a DE default theme, ive decided on a Baron list

let me know what you think, its 1500


Baron 105

20 Hellions
helliarch
agoniser-345

20 Hellions
helliarch
agoniser-345

20 Hellions
helliarch
agoniser-345

5 Scourges
2 blasters
solorite
blast pistol-165

5 Scourges
2 blasters
solorite
blast pistol-165

5 Scourges
2 blasters
solorite
blast pistol-165

First off I'm not a fan of hellions. I don't think that I should pay as much as an assault marine, get worse states for FNP, and then how often do you see assault marines? Ignoring that then the biggest issue I have is the AT. You can charge the hellions at armor but then they can get shot up. The scourges are decent, but that's it. The solarite and B.Pistol is to expensive for what you get.

Akroma06 wrote:First off I'm not a fan of hellions. I don't think that I should pay as much as an assault marine, get worse states for FNP, and then how often do you see assault marines? Ignoring that then the biggest issue I have is the AT. You can charge the hellions at armor but then they can get shot up. The scourges are decent, but that's it. The solarite and B.Pistol is to expensive for what you get.

I put the Solarite with BP in my scourge squads, but I tend to run um with 10 and 4 HL's in a WWP list, I almost always get in range for the BP shot.

I see surf board lists having potential, I do like their mobility, but they really need strong support from other areas of the dex, particularly anti tank.,

To avoid being a troll that's why I was comenting on the lack of AT. Giving this elements of a WWP list is decent. Maybe some warriors with a haemy for the portals then run the gang out of 'em with so talos or ravager support?

can't say its very optimized. in fact, it will prob preform very very poorly, but its a neat idea, and will prob look very cool on display.

oh, and all those hellions, and not one stun-claw? WTF i say... wtf

Built-in wrote:can't say its very optimized. in fact, it will prob preform very very poorly, but its a neat idea, and will prob look very cool on display.

oh, and all those hellions, and not one stun-claw? WTF i say... wtf

But the stun-claw... is so rubbish xD 'Oooh, I get to go fight another combat against the toughest guy in the whole squad and get swept by one guy, GOODY'

In all seriousness, drop 20 Hellions and get some Beastmasters to babysit the Baron?

Or rip a priest from his unit, A big mek out of kff range, a prime out of synapse? who knows what other shinanigans you'll ruin for 5 points. I'm only saying, this looks like a fun list. So it needs some fun options eh?

I think 3 troops is a bit low on 1500 pts. You could split them in to groups of 10, but that leaves half of them without the powerful agoniser. It leaves every individual group much more squishy, but gives you more use of your mobility, and less of an impact if you loose 1 squad.

Fluff-wise I like your army. I would like to see how it performs, as well!

could drop a unit of scourges and split all the 20s into 10s then reupgrade the champions with agonisers... the stun claw does seem fun and yes perhaps i may throw them in if i have spare points to have some fun with them... i usually play against an ork army and taking his warboss from his nob squad would be helpful!

also drop the solorites and B.pistols to free up points?

I would drop the blast pistols for sure. and I am going to get pure hate on this (just like the stun claw) but i use an agonizer solorite once in a while, when i want my scourges to be a little more inyourface and have the baron riding along. but other than that, it will definitely free up some points.

Thanks, when i can ill add the new list..

Simply brilliant. Excellent idea.

A couple things to make it battle-worthy....

Change the blasters on the scourges to heat lances. The list lacks anti-AV12 a lot. Heat lances are much better than blasters for those targets. And I even think they're cheaper?

Also I would include the following squad:
Haemonculus w/ Liquefier Gun + 3 Wracks // Venom w/ 2 Splinter Cannons

This list doesn't have any backfield objective campers. if Hellions do that they die, quite frankly. the t4 fnp and small squad size make wrack campers very effective. Also, by manipulating pain token shenanigans you can get one of your hellion squads to start with two pain tokens, pretty much making it the blob of doom. You can check my other posts for how to do this and I'm sure it's around dakka in odd places. Or just search for xaereth's blog - delusions of grandeur.

Of course, major weakness to this list is large blasts/ordnance. 2 manticores or 3 vindicators...you are splat. There's nothing you can do. Your t3 guys will die so quick you won't know what happened to you. Trust me I've been there many times.


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Lord_Vader wrote:

In all seriousness, drop 20 Hellions and get some Beastmasters to babysit the Baron?

Thats hilarious haha. First, the baron needs no babysitting. They don't call him the lord hellion for nothing. Second, he makes hellions worth their salt. That's his job and what he does best. It would be incredibly noobish to put him with some beasts in a list with hellions. Doing that basically says to your opponent, "here is a blob of 320 points that has awful leadership, no stealth, no feel no pain, and no invulnerable save in the group - hit me with a couple bolters or tank shocks and I'll run away!!! Oh and the guy that fixes all that, he's being babysat in a corner by a bunch of beasts who restrict his movement and provide nothing to his survivability that hellions would not. just cuz I thought he looked a little sick today." If hellions are in your list, the baron needs to be with them, both because they need him and because it is the thing the baron was made for and is best at doing.

No id definatly keep baron in the hellions good idea on the heat lances, i wont add a heamonculi and wracks, simply because it wouldnt fit my theme...

the theme is a nice idea but i dont think ill end up doing it, simply because it does have 1 MASSIVE weakness, objectives, ill get them, but i wont keep them, and unless i can keep them untill last turn then swoop in and steal them, im screwed...